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Old 06-27-2016, 11:23 AM  
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Old 09-04-2020, 09:41 AM   #5971
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I don't quite get how the market responds to option trading. So Softbank is buying a bunch of call options. Why is that pushing the market up? Is it just magnifying momentum because they exercise calls when prices go up and that in turn makes prices go up more? And then the opposite happens when it goes down?

We're having a big pullback on tech. Is it all or mostly attributed to this one company? If so, that's scary.
Sure. So Softbank buys such a large amount of calls and they do so from market makers. Market makers can hedge by buying the calls back, but that's not possible given the volume they're selling. These single stock calls just aren't liquid enough. So, they buy the underlying stock back as a hedge. But the delta of a call option increases as it goes into the money. So if Softbank bought 10 AAPL 50-delta calls, the market maker would have to buy 5 shares of AAPL to start. If AAPL goes up some amount, the delta might increase to 60 and then the market maker would have to buy 1 more share. That pushes the price up and increases the delta further to 70. Then he has to buy another share. Etc. On the way down, it's the exact same impact but the other way.

Anyway, take that to an extreme where market makers are short a lot of calls (i.e., something called 'gamma' which is the amount the delta changes as the underlying stock moves) and the market is going parabolic. It's made worse because of the Robinhood crowd who's been chasing returns left and right.

Hope that helps.
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Old 09-04-2020, 09:48 AM   #5972
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I wonder if Softbank will reveal they have a rogue trader within their organization? That's some serious risk.
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Old 09-04-2020, 09:54 AM   #5973
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I wonder if Softbank will reveal they have a rogue trader within their organization? That's some serious risk.
Softbank is massive. This isn't a rogue trader situation. The article speaks to that.
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Old 09-04-2020, 01:25 PM   #5974
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My email to customersupport@softbank.com must have worked. It seems they went back to buying calls as everything has turned around and shot back up.
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Old 09-04-2020, 01:34 PM   #5975
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My email to customersupport@softbank.com must have worked. It seems they went back to buying calls as everything has turned around and shot back up.
Next time give us a heads up before you kill the dip.
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:12 PM   #5976
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Old 09-04-2020, 02:47 PM   #5977
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Old 09-05-2020, 02:45 PM   #5978
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If you try waiting for a bottom you always miss the bottom.

I think Amazon is a great investment especially now because I imagine sooner or later they will do a stock split and when that gets announced its going to fly 50%
Amazon is a good buy because this Plandemic wrecked all their competition. There's no more small business to worry about. It's clear sailing to a Monopoly.

And if you like Amazon, check out BABA stock. It's Chinese Amazon but with 1.5 Billion customers.
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Old 09-05-2020, 03:06 PM   #5980
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Old 09-05-2020, 03:09 PM   #5981
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I know it's a growth market and all, but I'm not going to put my money into a country where the government can just decide to take it with no repercussions.
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I know it's a growth market and all, but I'm not going to put my money into a country where the government can just decide to take it with no repercussions.
The book Red Notice tells the story of how Bill Browder was one of the first Americans to look for investment opportunities in the post Soviet era of eastern Europe and Russia. It's a good story involving amazing investments and confrontations with dangerous oligarchs.

The Magnitsky Act was named after Browder's Russian attorney who was killed in Russian custody. It's also the law that ended up being discussed in the famous Trump Tower meeting involving Trump Jr., Kushner, and Manafort.

It was a good book. It's not political. It's half biography, half legal thriller.
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Old 09-05-2020, 03:20 PM   #5985
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The book Red Notice tells the story of how Bill Browder was one of the first Americans to look for investment opportunities in the post Soviet era of eastern Europe and Russia. It's a good story involving amazing investments and confrontations with dangerous oligarchs.
What's the ending to this story? Did he end up getting rich or is he languishing in a siberian prison?
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