NFL Draft So lets talk some legit options for our pick. - Page 27

Mecca · 04-09-2020, 12:29 PM

So with Breeland coming back that pretty much leaves us open to take the best player on the board.

I'd like in this thread to post some videos and such since in a lot of threads there are questions about how good a guy is and what he can do so twitter and youtube of course are great for vids.

Even though I've pined for Willie Gay quite a bit there are numerous other guys I'd be fine with using our pick on because well they'd be fine fits.

So I'll start with some Willie Gay video since I've been asked a few times what he's good at...

staylor26 · 04-13-2020, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Ok, I mean that's fine, I think he's a good fit for the cover 3 press bail,hence the 49ers. And I certainly wouldn't draft him over a bunch of those guys listed after him either, he's one of those guys I'm not a huge fan of.

I'm a bigger fan of what guys like Gladney and Fulton bring even though they're all rated similar.

I also have Gladney and Fulton ahead of him, but not by too much.

Matt Miller and Daniel Jeremiah, two of the very best, have Johnson rated higher, so it wouldn’t shock me if he goes before those guys.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-13-2020, 09:46 AM

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Maybe some team could fall for Eason. But Fromm? He throws like a girl.

Chad Pennington had a weak arm too, thus someone may fall for Fromm's intangibles and his football intelligence.After the SEC championship game as a Jr Dungy proclaimed him as 1st overall pick prospect.

Mecca · 04-13-2020, 09:47 AM

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Lol no. Jaylon showed the ability to cover quick/fast guys like Aiyuk all the way to guys with great size like Hodgins.

Guys like Jaylon Johnson don’t go in the 3rd/4th round dude

Here's the thing, Aiyuk isn't someone I like to use as an example. He's a weird case of being a great athlete but needing help in being a factor. In games where the opponents pressed him and beat him up at the line he was terrible. When he was able to move around and get free release he made big plays.

Aiyuk is probably the player with the widest variety of opinions, apparently there are teams that have him as a 1st rounder and others that have him in the 4th.

Mecca · 04-13-2020, 09:48 AM

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I could see Jaylon Johnson dropping pretty far simply bc of his surgery in March to repair a torn labrum.

Medicals are up in the air and not being able to have your own Dr’s give him a physical and look at that shoulder, your risk is higher.

I think what Daniel Jeremiah said on NFLN the other day is true: GM’s are going to try to draft the cleanest prospects they can as early as they can bc they are too worried about this situation and not getting enough information.

Medicals are a big deal this year, Zack Moss is coming off an injury and his trainer says he's fine but what incentive does he have to be honest?

MahomesMagic · 04-13-2020, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's the thing, Aiyuk isn't someone I like to use as an example. He's a weird case of being a great athlete but needing help in being a factor. In games where the opponents pressed him and beat him up at the line he was terrible. When he was able to move around and get free release he made big plays.

Aiyuk is probably the player with the widest variety of opinions, apparently there are teams that have him as a 1st rounder and others that have him in the 4th.

Aiyuk is a slot only because he can't beat press coverage.

RunKC · 04-13-2020, 09:53 AM

FWIW I read that Jalen Reagor put on weight (believe it was 10 lbs) before the combine which is why he ran a slower time. Never understand why these guys do that unless you’re frail. I mean the guy was 5’11” in the mid 190’s.
Your speed will help you more than weight decreasing speed. You can always put weight on with speed in training.

Reagor is absolutely faster than 4.47 though. He’s got really good burst and constantly separates.

I think he runs a sub 4.4. Maybe 4.38

staylor26 · 04-13-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Aiyuk is a slot only because he can't beat press coverage.

Ummm no

MahomesMagic · 04-13-2020, 09:57 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

FWIW I read that Jalen Reagor put on weight (believe it was 10 lbs) before the combine which is why he ran a slower time. Never understand why these guys do that unless you’re frail. I mean the guy was 5’11” in the mid 190’s.
Your speed will help you more than weight decreasing speed. You can always put weight on with speed in training.

Reagor is absolutely faster than 4.47 though. He’s got really good burst and constantly separates.

I think he runs a sub 4.4. Maybe 4.38

Reagor is interesting. We already have Hardman, if we draft a WR we need someone more polished.

Mecca · 04-13-2020, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Ummm no

He's a really polarizing prospect.....and there is some evidence that guys who press him really affect his game.

**Tribal Warfare** · 04-13-2020, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MahomesMagic

Reagor is interesting. We already have Hardman, if we draft a WR we need someone more polished.

It would be a Watkins or Robinson replacement

Chief Northman · 04-13-2020, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I could see Jaylon Johnson dropping pretty far simply bc of his surgery in March to repair a torn labrum.

Medicals are up in the air and not being able to have your own Dr’s give him a physical and look at that shoulder, your risk is higher.

I think what Daniel Jeremiah said on NFLN the other day is true: GM’s are going to try to draft the cleanest prospects they can as early as they can bc they are too worried about this situation and not getting enough information.

Johnson’s timetable for recovery/return is early to mid-August. Not ideal, even if a labrum injury isn’t as concerning for a DB as say a QB or lineman...

I expect him to drop, as well as Bryce Hall. Late 2nd at the earliest for these guys, more likely 3rd and lower.

staylor26 · 04-13-2020, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Mecca

Here's the thing, Aiyuk isn't someone I like to use as an example. He's a weird case of being a great athlete but needing help in being a factor. In games where the opponents pressed him and beat him up at the line he was terrible. When he was able to move around and get free release he made big plays.

Aiyuk is probably the player with the widest variety of opinions, apparently there are teams that have him as a 1st rounder and others that have him in the 4th.

I don’t know what you’re seeing with Aiyuk, but the guy has speed, agility, RAC ability, and some long arms that give him a ridiculous catch radius for a guy his size.

I agree that he’s a little raw in terms of route running, but the guys a ****ing stud.

MahomesMagic · 04-13-2020, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

Ummm no

When scouting a Pac 12 WR, easiest shortcut is to watch the WR vs Oregon. Oregon is one of the few teams to press guys out there and take it to the wr and Aiyuk wasn't ready for it.

Maybe he will learn that down the road but if you draft him you better not play him outside to start.

I like Aiyuk going to a team like NO. Another guy not a fit here.

Mecca · 04-13-2020, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

I don’t know what you’re seeing with Aiyuk, but the guy has speed, agility, RAC ability, and some long arms that give him a ridiculous catch radius for a guy his size.

I agree that he’s a little raw in terms of route running, but the guys a ****ing stud.

I think right now he's more athlete than he is polished receiver, he's probably at minimum a package player for 2 years and he may always be that.

If I was taking a guy for just pure playmaking I like Shenault more.

MahomesMagic · 04-13-2020, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

It would be a Watkins or Robinson replacement

Reagor would be a bad pick if the goal was to replace Watkins by next year.

04-09-2020, 12:29 PM
Mecca Hockey Town Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Kansas City, Missouri Casino cash: $-482950	So lets talk some legit options for our pick. So with Breeland coming back that pretty much leaves us open to take the best player on the board. I'd like in this thread to post some videos and such since in a lot of threads there are questions about how good a guy is and what he can do so twitter and youtube of course are great for vids. Even though I've pined for Willie Gay quite a bit there are numerous other guys I'd be fine with using our pick on because well they'd be fine fits. So I'll start with some Willie Gay video since I've been asked a few times what he's good at...
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RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1400389	FWIW I read that Jalen Reagor put on weight (believe it was 10 lbs) before the combine which is why he ran a slower time. Never understand why these guys do that unless you’re frail. I mean the guy was 5’11” in the mid 190’s. Your speed will help you more than weight decreasing speed. You can always put weight on with speed in training. Reagor is absolutely faster than 4.47 though. He’s got really good burst and constantly separates. I think he runs a sub 4.4. Maybe 4.38 __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley
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