Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 26

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

Chief Northman · 03-27-2020, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Sammy does the same thing.

No.

Sammy approves/likes all mentions of him football related.

Jones comes off as pouting about his situation.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 03-27-2020, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Chief Northman

No.

Sammy approves/likes all mentions of him football related.

Jones comes off as pouting about his situation.

Okay you right. He leaves emojis to wherever his name is mentioned. Jones needs to nut up and not overprice himself. He should tell us how he really feels not play the Deshaun Watson game

Chief Northman · 03-27-2020, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Okay you right. He leaves emojis to wherever his name is mentioned. Jones needs to nut up and not overprice himself. He should tell us how he really feels not play the Deshaun Watson game

Actually saying nothing would be best.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 03-27-2020, 11:49 AM

Jones also retweeted Ben Shapiro. Gained my respect

PAChiefsGuy · 03-27-2020, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Jones also retweeted Ben Shapiro. Gained my respect

You can tweets way too seriously.

**BossChief** · 03-27-2020, 12:01 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

I too would love to know how you, or anyone, could know this for sure. Is your name Brittany, Pat, Jackson, Pat Sr., Randi or Leigh? Hard to imagine anyone else knowing for sure he is willing to take a discount.

It was posted by a media member, I assure you. It was a direct quote from Pat. Sorry I haven’t been able to locate the quote.

saphojunkie · 03-27-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Jones also retweeted Ben Shapiro. Gained my respect

dlphg9 · 03-27-2020, 09:20 PM

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Originally Posted by KChiefs1

Assessing the Chiefs' options with Chris Jones following the Colts' trade for DeForest Buckner

By Eric Eager

We’re into the second week of free agency, and for the defending Super Bowl champion Kansas City Chiefs, it’s been a quiet ride. Gone are starters Kendall Fuller and Stefen Wisniewski, and in are Mike Remmers and former XFL star Jordan Ta’amu. Sammy Watkins and his big ($21 million) cap number remain on the roster, while the Chiefs' ability to do much else is hampered substantially by having under $400,000 in cap space per our friends at OverTheCap.

The elephant in the room, as it has been since the end of the season, is star interior lineman Chris Jones, the fourth-most valuable defensive tackle in the NFL since he entered the league as a second-round pick in 2016. As we wrote about last month, the Chiefs were a bit hamstrung with options for retaining Jones prior to when free agency started, as he was reportedly commanding Aaron Donald ($22.5 million APY) money and a long-term deal. The Chiefs already invested two draft picks and a five-year, $105.7 million last offseason into edge player Frank Clark, further complicating matters.

As such, Kansas City applied the franchise tag to Jones ($16.1 million) and were likely trying to trade him to a defense-needy team for a draft pick in the late first round or early second round. Such designs were thwarted a bit early last week, when the Indianapolis Colts traded the 13th-overall pick to the San Francisco 49ers for DeForest Buckner and then promptly gave him a deal worth $84 million over four years. Where it matters most, Jones is a better player than Buckner, putting up five more pressures on more than 300 fewer pass-rushing snaps than the former Oregon Duck, while playing on a far less-talented defensive line. Thus, a reasonable valuation of Jones would be $21 million APY and a top-15 pick after this move, neither of which is likely to be realized. So what should they do?

IGNORE THE COLTS' DEAL FOR BUCKNER

Markets tend toward efficiency, but the market for NFL players is a) not stationary, b) not big and c) not necessarily made up of completely rational actors. While we like the overall direction of the Colts under Chris Ballard, the Buckner deal was an overpay both in terms of draft-pick compensation and contract. George Chahrouri and I left all interior defenders off our analytics mock, and for good reason: Interior players do not provide the value play-for-play that mirrors even edge players, and coverage is more valuable than the play of both. The same applies to handing out big contracts to interior players: don’t do it.

SUBSCRIBE TO PFF.

Why you posting this ignorant bullshit? The logic that interior players don't provide as much value as an edge rusher does not apply in this situation, because Chris Jones isn't your typical DT. He gets after the QB as well as some of the best edge rushers in the league.

Having a DT that gets after the QB like Jones is much more valuable than an edge rusher. Inside pressure is key as QBs are taught to step up into the pocket and when Chris Jones is collapsing the pocket it makes it impossible for a QB to do it and makes edge rushers jobs alot easier. PFF is stupid as ****

dlphg9 · 03-27-2020, 09:22 PM

Oh shit some more "evidence" for the CP sleuths. ****ing idiots. You realize he has a life outside football and not everything he posts is football related.

Chief Northman · 03-27-2020, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Oh shit some more "evidence" for the CP sleuths. ****ing idiots. You realize he has a life outside football and not everything he posts is football related.

Relax.

Times are slow. Discussion here is a nice break from the apocalypse.

Wallcrawler · 03-28-2020, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Oh shit some more "evidence" for the CP sleuths. ****ing idiots. You realize he has a life outside football and not everything he posts is football related.

Yes...keep clinging to hope. Your tears will be so much more delicious in the end.

dlphg9 · 03-28-2020, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Yes...keep clinging to hope. Your tears will be so much more delicious in the end.

Why would I not cling onto hope when it comes to my favorite player on the D. The fact that youd find joy in anything related to Chris Jones not being on the Chiefs next year just shows how completely reeruned you are

TEX · 03-28-2020, 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

Yes...keep clinging to hope. Your tears will be so much more delicious in the end.

You're a dipshit.

TEX · 03-28-2020, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Why would I not cling onto hope when it comes to my favorite player on the D. The fact that youd find joy in anything related to Chris Jones not being on the Chiefs next year just shows how completely reeruned you are

Exactly. He's a dipshit.

dlphg9 · 07-14-2020, 11:46 AM

I was pretty close. $60 mil guaranteed is tied for the most guaranteed for a defender.

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	Oh shit some more "evidence" for the CP sleuths. ****ing idiots. You realize he has a life outside football and not everything he posts is football related.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1390347	I was pretty close. $60 mil guaranteed is tied for the most guaranteed for a defender.
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