Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 21

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

Red Dawg · 03-14-2020, 07:36 AM

We are the idiots? Most of you just don't see the writing in the wall. His tweet says it all. Only one way to interpret that tweet.

Buckweath · 03-14-2020, 08:30 AM

Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?

Red Dawg · 03-14-2020, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?

I thought about that as well but normally edge rushers are considered more valuable and we did give a 1 for Clark and his attitude has been great. With that being said if he did trade Clark and paid Jones his big money that would be probably good with most.

dlphg9 · 03-14-2020, 09:36 AM

How often does this place try to play detective, such as tracking flight plans, reading tweets, trying to decipher interviews, and talking to real estate friends? You don't have to answer that, because I can tell you the answer and the answer to this question is, all the ****ing time.

How often do these things mean anything? Never.

Ive been wrong and will admit im wrong, no problem, so if someone can point me in the direction of a thread where any of you internet detectives were right about something you looked into, then thatd be great. There also can't be any reports from media guys, because in this case not one person in the media is saying he's gone.

VAGOMO 4 LIFE! · 03-14-2020, 09:45 AM

Sammy has been playing things like that too. Saying he’d love to team up with D HOP again but also retweeting some guy saying he will get an extension. They’re players love to play with the fans and I for one am here for it!

Toad · 03-14-2020, 10:14 AM

Can someone re-post his Tweet? Thanks so much

Wallcrawler · 03-14-2020, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

How often does this place try to play detective, such as tracking flight plans, reading tweets, trying to decipher interviews, and talking to real estate friends? You don't have to answer that, because I can tell you the answer and the answer to this question is, all the ****ing time.

How often do these things mean anything? Never.

Ive been wrong and will admit im wrong, no problem, so if someone can point me in the direction of a thread where any of you internet detectives were right about something you looked into, then thatd be great. There also can't be any reports from media guys, because in this case not one person in the media is saying he's gone.

So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.

Coogs · 03-14-2020, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Buckweath

Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance.

Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him.

I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?

Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.

TomBarndtsTwin · 03-14-2020, 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.

This.

And while Clark is a great overall defender and impact player, he is not a ‘unicorn’ like Jones. Jones trade value is much higher and would garner a better return.

Red Dawg · 03-14-2020, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.

I didn't realize that. Yup, not happening. Hill is a big cap hit this year. 17 mil i think.

Red Dawg · 03-14-2020, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Coogs

Trading Clark would cost $21 million in dead money against the cap. Probably not happening.

I didn't realize that. Yup, not happening. Hill is a big cap hit this year. 17 mil i think.

Buckweath · 03-14-2020, 09:10 PM

Anyone finds it disrespectful that he would post this tweet in the end probably just to get attention or have a laugh at the fans' reaction?

He obviously knows what he is doing.

Just asking.

**BossChief** · 03-14-2020, 10:09 PM

It’s going to be interesting to see how much Jones gets.

dlphg9 · 03-14-2020, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.

Oh trust me I will just to prove your stupid ass wrong. Tell me the last really good DT that was let go or traded away.

dlphg9 · 03-14-2020, 11:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wallcrawler

So Jones just randomly posts song lyrics with no context during a time where his future is in question and it shouldnt be taken as a sign he is done.

Sure pal, sure.

Hey, why dont you go dig up some more pre-salary cap era players and tell us all how many teams they played for.

Did you find a time when you sleuths got something right?

03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1410347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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03-14-2020, 07:36 AM	#301
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03-14-2020, 08:30 AM	#302
Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	Chris Jones obviously know what he is doing with that tweet. My guess would be that he is absolutely willing to leave if he does not get what he thinks he is entitled to but at the same time he is using that tweet as posturing as if saying this is your last chance. Trade his ***! No but seriously I'm not a fan at all of paying him over 20M per season. I have got no problem with trading him. I know these things never happen but what if Veach decided to trade Clark and then basically give his money to Jones?
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03-14-2020, 09:36 AM	#304
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1410347	How often does this place try to play detective, such as tracking flight plans, reading tweets, trying to decipher interviews, and talking to real estate friends? You don't have to answer that, because I can tell you the answer and the answer to this question is, all the ****ing time. How often do these things mean anything? Never. Ive been wrong and will admit im wrong, no problem, so if someone can point me in the direction of a thread where any of you internet detectives were right about something you looked into, then thatd be great. There also can't be any reports from media guys, because in this case not one person in the media is saying he's gone.
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03-14-2020, 10:14 AM	#306
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03-14-2020, 09:10 PM	#312
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03-14-2020, 10:09 PM	#313
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