Chiefs Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League - Page 20

dlphg9 · 03-07-2020, 07:52 PM

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

Chiefaholic · 03-13-2020, 06:50 PM

The Dolphins have a ton of cap space and picks coming out of their ears. I see them as a probable trade partner

**TribalElder** · 03-13-2020, 06:53 PM

As much as Mike Mayock loves Chris Jones I still believe that the Raiders will trade for him with whatever team we trade him to if that happens. It might not be in the same season but I still think it will likely happen

dlphg9 · 03-13-2020, 06:57 PM

Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by TribalElder

As much as Mike Mayock loves Chris Jones I still believe that the Raiders will trade for him with whatever team we trade him to if that happens. It might not be in the same season but I still think it will likely happen

And you’re still an idiot for thinking this is possible.

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.

Yea there’s not enough for me to say he’s gone. It could just as easily be posturing from both sides.

**BossChief** · 03-13-2020, 07:04 PM

Hopefully it’s for TB 14th and 76th overall and a third next year, or something close to that.

Trade down to add more picks in the top 100 and load for bear.

dlphg9 · 03-13-2020, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

“Chris is a part of this team, a big part of this team — he helped us get where we were,” said Reid, before pivoting. “It’s crazy because in this business, we’re all expendable. That’s been proven over and over again. On the other hand, you’d like to keep everybody. But that’s not real. So would we like to keep Chris? Sure. But things happen in this business, and we’re all players and coaches. We’re all used to that, and so if he’s here, great, man. That’s a great thing. If he’s not, we’re going to keep plowing, man, and keep moving on, and we expect somebody else to step up and fill in that position. We get all of that... You’ve been in this thing long enough, I think we understand that. I think the fans understand that.”

Sounds like a guy that's posturing. Reid's very involved in the organization and hes not gonna come out and say we have to keep Chris Jones at all costs. It's part of the negotiation.

**BossChief** · 03-13-2020, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.

You’re in denial.

Red Dawg · 03-13-2020, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by dlphg9

Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.

Big denial. It's done. He's gone.

ForeverIowan · 03-13-2020, 07:27 PM

So let's hear it from the Monday morning GMs. How would you use the pick and cap space? For the sake of argument let's assume we grabbed Tampa's first and third rounder.

With that 14th pick from Tampa I think an argument could be made for Javon Kinlaw in the middle to fill the void left by Jones, CJ Henderson to address your need at corner or do you go all in for Mahomes and grab one of those elite receivers to replace Watkins (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III).

In free agency the biggest targets that catch my eye are AJ Green, Chris Harris Jr. and Joe Schoebert.

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

So let's hear it from the Monday morning GMs. How would you use the pick and cap space? For the sake of argument let's assume we grabbed Tampa's first and third rounder.

With that 14th pick from Tampa I think an argument could be made for Javon Kinlaw in the middle to fill the void left by Jones, CJ Henderson to address your need at corner or do you go all in for Mahomes and grab one of those elite receivers to replace Watkins (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III).

In free agency the biggest targets that catch my eye are AJ Green, Chris Harris Jr. and Joe Schoebert.

I don’t think there’s any chance the Bucs trade the 14th pick to pay Jones.

Teams simply don’t trade top 15 picks for players.

Chiefs=Champions · 03-13-2020, 07:33 PM

He might be gone. But you're insane if you read too much into stuff. People trying to mind read shit like this waaay too much these days.

staylor26 · 03-13-2020, 07:36 PM

It’s odd, but I find a really hard time finding a believable trade partner for Jones.

You pretty much have to look outside of the top 15 if you want a 1st this year and I don’t see a lot of NFC teams that make sense.

TheMartyr · 03-13-2020, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by dirk digler

Well that isn't good

A quick search of Kevin Gates reveals that it’s lyrics from his song. Sure it could have a deeper meaning to feel agency. Or maybe not and he just likes this song.

Chief Roundup · 03-14-2020, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by BossChief

You’re in denial.

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Originally Posted by Red Dawg

Big denial. It's done. He's gone.

You 2 are also part of the idiots going around buying all the toilet paper.

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03-07-2020, 07:52 PM
dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1400347	Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year. Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating. If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players. There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league. 1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well 2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away. 3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting. Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.
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dlphg9 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2010 Casino cash: $-1400347	Good Lord I was reading the last several comments and got pissed that we traded him, but then I see that people are saying he is gone based on some song lyrics and some comments that Andy made. You all read into things too much.
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ForeverIowan Veteran Join Date: Dec 2018 Casino cash: $-449600	So let's hear it from the Monday morning GMs. How would you use the pick and cap space? For the sake of argument let's assume we grabbed Tampa's first and third rounder. With that 14th pick from Tampa I think an argument could be made for Javon Kinlaw in the middle to fill the void left by Jones, CJ Henderson to address your need at corner or do you go all in for Mahomes and grab one of those elite receivers to replace Watkins (Jeudy, Lamb, Ruggs III). In free agency the biggest targets that catch my eye are AJ Green, Chris Harris Jr. and Joe Schoebert.
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staylor26 In Search of a Life Join Date: Oct 2007 Casino cash: $-1880960	It’s odd, but I find a really hard time finding a believable trade partner for Jones. You pretty much have to look outside of the top 15 if you want a 1st this year and I don’t see a lot of NFC teams that make sense.
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