Chris Jones - Making Him the Highest Paid Defender in the League

[dlphg9]

Why couldn't we do it? Khalil Mack, the highest paid defensive player in the league right now had cap hits of $13.8 mil in yr 1 of his new deal and $11.9 mil in yr 2. Macks avg yearly salary is $23.5 mil per year.

Veach doesn't seem to like giving guys contracts past the age of 30, so I could see him doing a 5 yr $120 mil deal. That keeps Jones in KC until age 30 and we get all his prime years and don't run the risk of having to pay him a ton of money after he's 30. Him being a 2nd rounder is going to help him in negotiating.

If we structure the contract so that his cap hit is $13 mil in year 1 and $15 mil in year 2, we have him cheap when we are tight with the cap this year and then next year there should be a decent jump in the cap and we're not out $8 mil because of Eric Berrys dead money. The cap should raise significantly for the remaining 3 years of his contract and it wont burden us with trying to get other good players.

There are several factors that should allow him to become the highest paid defender in the league.

1. He is an absolute beast. I am higher on his run D than most, but no one can argue that he is not, at worst, the 2nd best pass rushing interior lineman in the league. Personally, I put him right next to Aaron Donald when it comes to pass rushing. Now someone smarter than me correct me please, but has there ever been a better pass rusher at that position than those 2? His impact in the Super Bowl will be a big bargaining chip for him during negotiations as well

2. He is only 25 years old. Veach is smart. He doesn't like giving out big money to old guys and he's not going to extend guys into the twilight of their careers and pay them tons of money. Luckily for Chris Jones he is only 25 and a 5 year deal puts him at 30 years old. Veach wants to keep guys that still have their best years ahead of him and the prime age for a DT is 28 according to PFF, so that means in theory we haven't even seen the best Chris Jones and Brett Veach isn't going to just let that walk away.

3. The new CBA. When the top paid defenders signed their deals there were only 16 regular season game and now neverything is pointing to a 17 game regular season, so contracts are going to reflect that. Prior to the news about the newest CBA coming a year early my best guess was that CJ was going to get $21.5 mil a year from the Chiefs, since Frank Clark is basically getting $21 mil a year. $21.5 mil a year breaks down to $1.34 mil per regular season game, so that extra game should pay an additional $1.34 mil a year and that alone puts CJs yearly avg to just under $23 million a year. That hasn't even taken into account the increase in the percentage of profit the players are getting.

Chris Jones is one of my favorite players on the team and is probably my favorite player on the defense. I hope we keep him even if we have to pay him more money per year than any other defender in the history of the league. My love for Chris Jones may cloud my judgement and make me irrational and I may be completely wrong in my train of thought, but I dont think signing Jones long term is detrimental to the future success of this team whatsoever. I actually believe it would be insanely stupid and detrimental to let a generational talent like Chris Jones walk because we got some draft picks for him. Chris Jones's skills are only matched by one other player at his position and those 2 may be the best pass rushers we have ever seen at d tackle and I don't think anyone else is even close. You can't replace his production and trading him is an awful idea.

[RunKC]

Good chance a move is made for Sammy or Chris this weekend

[TomBarndtsTwin]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

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He basically sounds like a guy who already knows a deal has been agreed upon.

Agreed.

From listening to Reid and reading CJ's comments, seems like the Chiefs have already found a trade partner. Hopefully it's a strong return in picks.

Business wise, this is the right move. It allow the Chiefs to retain a few more guys, possibly make a couple low-key FA adds and re-stock the roster with some solid young talent with the extra picks. And to have a more flexible and workable cap situation going forward as they manipulate the Mahomes contract and other things.

Obviously, the D-Line will lose some interior push, but hopefully they will make up for it with better run stuffing interior players, more depth on the overall D-Line and hopefully guys do a better job of staying healthy this next season.

Assuming there is a next season of course . . . . . . .

[staylor26]

I’m cool with a trade, even though I’d obviously prefer to keep Jones, but I just hope it doesn’t drag on. If you’re going to trade him, get it done next week.

You really can’t go wrong here IMO.

If we get a middle of the 1st pick that allows us to get Murray or Queen, that would be huge. Hopefully Saunders make a huge jump in year 2.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

A top 15 pick plus a 3rd or 4th would be nice.

If it’s a late 1st, we better get at least another 2.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.

I remember hearing an NFL talking head say a few weeks ago that he heard from the combine that Ballard has said privately that "he would give up everything" to get Chris Jones. Although tbh the only logical trading partner looks like being Miami imo because they have three firsts to play with with a ton of cap space.

[TambaBerry]

Hopefully it's a good pick if it's a late first I'll be upset if it's too 20 and a 3rd I'd be fine

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by UChieffyBugger

I remember hearing an NFL talking head say a few weeks ago that he heard from the combine that Ballard has said privately that "he would give up everything" to get Chris Jones. Although tbh the only logical trading partner looks like being Miami imo because they have three firsts to play with with a ton of cap space.

Colts have two 2nds. That might get it done.

Or their 1 and another pick.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.

[ShowtimeSBMVP]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.

I think after the CBA vote tomorrow night. The NFL is gonna delay the start of free agency.

[UChieffyBugger]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Now is the perfect time to do it if you’re the Chiefs. Fans are already worried enough about real life issues, the Chiefs just won’t garner as much attention.

I bet he’s traded by next Wednesday, officially.

Two seconds would feel a little cheap imo considering how much the Rams just paid for Ramsey. Plus didn't we get two seconds for Dee Ford? Nah need a first somewhere in that deal which Is why Miami makes sense to me. Miami also don't have much of a pass-rush do they? So it all adds up.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by ShowtimeSBMVP

I think after the CBA vote tomorrow night. The NFL is gonna delay the start of free agency.

I think trades would still happen though

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It’s a harsh reality that was always probably going to come. Hard to have all these high paid guys on top of Mahomes and still field competency around them.

I wonder who the trade partner is. Ballard and Indy makes sense but he loves his draft picks.

I wouldn't be completely shocked if it's the Bills:

1.) We've traded with them in the past.
2.) They have a ton of cap space.
3.) Arguably on the verge of making a deep run.
4.) Likely losing Jordan Phillips in free agency.
5.) AFC East finally theirs for the taking especially if Brady leaves.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ForeverIowan

I wouldn't be completely shocked if it's the Bills:

1.) We've traded with them in the past.
2.) They have a ton of cap space.
3.) Arguably on the verge of making a deep run.
4.) Likely losing Jordan Phillips in free agency.
5.) AFC East finally theirs for the taking especially if Brady leaves.

If they trade him inside the AFC, it’ll be a team that’s less of a threat like the Dolphins IMO.

The only reason I’m buying the Colts as a possibility is that you can get 34 and 44. That would give you 3 picks inside the top 44 (and 4 in the top 64) If they offer that you have to take it.

I don’t see the Bills giving up anything more than 22.

[ForeverIowan]

Originally Posted by staylor26

If they trade him inside the AFC, it’ll be a team that’s less of a threat like the Dolphins IMO.

The only reason I’m buying the Colts as a possibility is that you can get 34 and 44. That would give you 3 picks inside the top 44 (and 4 in the top 64) If they offer that you have to take it.

I don’t see the Bills giving up anything more than 22.

I hear ya do Veach and Reid really view Jared Allen with no weapons a threat though? As long as it's not the Ravens/Patriots/Texans I think I'm fine with it.