Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

That’s interesting.

Harris is who filled in for Tartt when he was out, correct? Didn’t sound like he was very good in pass coverage, at least in deep coverage.

It’s similar to what the Chargers do, but with a reserve SS instead of Derwin James.

Yes. Harris was not worse than Witherspoon in coverage, but a much better tackler and much better in run support. He won't be given the toughest covers.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by DRM08

Sherman at an advanced age does not fit into the “are you scared of this guy” category. The Niners front 4 fit that description much better. Flip side is I would guess Niner coaches are a lot more afraid of Tyreek and Kelce compared to how Andy & Mahomes might feel about Sherman.

All of that is true. Sherman is most effective when the 49er pass rush is effective. He seems to know when to keep his eyes on a QB under pressure. It sometimes gets him burned when he is late to turn and cover, but it has allowed him to make a couple of interceptions this season.

[loochy]

Originally Posted by A8bil

He won't be given the toughest covers.

But all of our guys are tough covers

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Yes. Harris was not worse than Witherspoon in coverage, but a much better tackler and much better in run support. He won't be given the toughest covers.

So it sounds like you think he’s going to be responsible for the short zone (hook, flats) and not deep cover 3 responsibilities?

Honestly is probably more critical against KC than the deep third responsibility.

[TLO]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Rapoport just said Chiefs will re sign Mahomes this off season after the new CBA is reached. Will be the richest player in NFL history

Do you have a link, my friend?

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

So it sounds like you think he’s going to be responsible for the short zone (hook, flats) and not deep cover 3 responsibilities?

Honestly is probably more critical against KC than the deep third responsibility.

That's my guess. He's got decent anticipation and good tackling skills to prevent YAC. Tartt and Ward will have deep duties.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

So is the 49ers secondary overrated? Or is PFF just full of shit?

They came out with the top 53 players between the two teams based on overall PFF score throughout the season: https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking...-tops-the-list

In the top 25, they have 18 49ers and 7 Chiefs (Mahomes is #1). But here's what is bullshitty to me. Richard Sherman is #3. Uhh... what? No he's ****ing not. He's not the 3rd best ****ing player between these two teams.

And after Sherman, the 49ers have two of their other CBs in the top 25 (Williams and Moseley).

So of the 25 best players who will be suiting up on Sunday, 3 of them are 49er CBs? Their weakest ****ing position on the team outside of WR?

Horse. Shit.

PFFs grader has Jimmy Ward as better than Mathieu.

So yeah, PFF is full of shit.

It's just so weird to me that they're seen as objective when their model comes down to a 'data scientist' who is essentially Clay grading snaps for them. It's as subjective as you or I grading reps.

It's still just as prone to the 49ers guy grading easier than the Chiefs guy as anything.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

PFFs grader has Jimmy Ward as better than Mathieu.

So yeah, PFF is full of shit.

It's just so weird to me that they're seen as objective when their model comes down to a 'data scientist' who is essentially Clay grading snaps for them. It's as subjective as you or I grading reps.

It's still just as prone to the 49ers guy grading easier than the Chiefs guy as anything.

Honestly, I'd trust Clay over PFF. Some of the grades PFF comes up with is pure WTF.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

PFFs grader has Jimmy Ward as better than Mathieu.

So yeah, PFF is full of shit.

IN prior years, most 49er fans would have agreed with you. Many were scratching their heads as to why management stuck with Ward. This year? He's been pretty good. Pro Bowl alternate good. Better than Mathieu? I dunno about that, but Ward's not chopped liver.

[The Franchise]

Pro bowl alternate guys!!!!!

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by TLO

Do you have a link, my friend?

Here’s the link

https://youtu.be/Xqkg9KUXJks

[ljmhawk]

STOP REPLYING TO THE TROLLS AND THEY WILL GO AWAY

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by wachashi

The Niners gave up 46 points to the Saints, then 31 to the Rams. Both of those of teams have offensive lines that produced elite adjusted sack rates on the year.



The Chiefs are the 4th best team at preventing sacks, but that doesn't tell the whole story. Matt Moore took 7 sacks in the two game he played, and our offensive line has only been fully healthy for about a month now.

I’ve been saying throughout this entire thread that our pass rush will be a bigger problem for them than theirs will be for us. Here is just more evidence of this.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

This is a somewhat lengthy pod but a good listen: https://twitter.com/adamlefkoe/statu...498086400?s=21

It’s Warren Sharp and Adam Lefkoe talking about the game in great detail with the added element of Sharp’s analytical system.

Sharp says that the SF defense is being greatly overrated and he goes into supreme detail as to why, including why KC is a very dangerous matchup for them. Beyond anything I could type up here — but I’ll add a couple of details.

- Apparently SF has never played an offense that uses anywhere close to as much motion as KC (by the numbers). Their pass defense has had much lower success rates against motions when they have seen them.

- DJ will like the line in there about how SFs pass rush productivity is league average on 1st and 2nd down, but the best in the league on 3rd down.

- He says that 11 personnel is SFs biggest issue and they are worst in the NFL in success rate against 11 inside the red zone. The Niners in general have one of the worst RZ rates as a defense in general, per Sharp’s data.

- 49ers defense came in dead last among the 12 playoff teams in terms of defensive success rate against play action.

- Big picture: 49ers defense is totally reliant on getting 3rd down sacks based on Sharp’s data. Sharp says just stay aggressive if you’re KC, pass and pass some more, and avoid those 3rd and longs.

On the flip side.... they do seem to expect a lot of points in this game, even from SF.

- He sees Garoppolo in a much better light than the media perception.

- Chiefs defense had the worst run defense success rate against run plays that had pre-snap motion. Chiefs defense is also rated out badly against play action.

- Chiefs defense is the #2 pass rushing defense on 3rd down (behind SF).

- Chiefs defense 5th worst against 21 personnel, 49ers use it frequently.

- Chiefs defense is very good on early downs with cover 3, but Garoppolo has been equally good against it on early downs.

[94605Niner]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

I’ve been saying throughout this entire thread that our pass rush will be a bigger problem for them than theirs will be for us. Here is just more evidence of this.

**** off, We're about to put Pat on a Vegan diet. On Sunday,He's going to eat a lot of Grass.