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Old 01-19-2020, 07:03 PM  
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Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)
Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:35 PM   #4696
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I don't disagree with you. I'm hoping (perhaps without reason) that if they can get the pocket to collapse, Mahomes gets scrambling and the 49ers LBs who all play fast are able to limit yardage on the ground or force quick passes before his WRs are able to break coverage.
Only 2 of them are going to be out there most of the time. Who's sitting? Alexander or Greenlaw?

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Ford isn't a complete non-factor in the running game. He's just not an edge-setter.

He's a pursuit player and those have value. Hell, those could have pretty substantial value against a team like SF that will look to stretch the line out on those outside zones. Having Ford's speed from the backside would be pretty nice.

Doesn't help you if you run right at him, but it's not fair to say he provides nothing against the run. Against the Chiefs he's one of the few guys in the league who might be able to stymie the jet sweep actions.
But what smart team is ever going to run AWAY from Dee Ford's side, or leave him unblocked? If he's in the game and you decide to run the ball, you're lining up and running right at him.If you're running away from him, you make sure you at least have a plucky slot WR to account for him (since that's enough to block him out of plays)
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Only 2 of them are going to be out there most of the time. Who's sitting? Alexander or Greenlaw?

But what smart team is ever going to run AWAY from Dee Ford's side, or leave him unblocked? If he's in the game and you decide to run the ball, you're lining up and running right at him.If you're running away from him, you make sure you at least have a plucky slot WR to account for him (since that's enough to block him out of plays)
Eh, it's not always your choice. Well, not entirely.

If the Chiefs are thinking of coming out with some RPO looks (and you have to figure they will given their effectiveness against zone coverage), there are ways you can align the defensive front to effectively dictate that decision.

Sure, designed runs you're going to probably work it in his direction, but RPO plays, if there's a give, are going to be a little less dynamic. And frankly a DL can just dare you. If the DL shades towards Ford, you're gonna look to go in the opposite direction, are you not?

We did it against TN and largely bluffed them. We constantly gave them looks to suggest we were going to leave the weak side open and then slammed it shut. Well the 49ers could operate similarly and give you a look that all but dares you to run the ball away from him.

The defense can do a little more to dictate the direction you run than you're giving them credit for.
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Old 01-30-2020, 02:43 PM   #4698
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Look at the injury report for those games if you want a realistic perspective.
If you want to use the injury excuse, then don't bring up the Chiefs' loss to the Colts.

They were without Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Eric Fisher, among others in that game.
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Steelers had the #1 defense in the league and the DPOTY and still lost the Super Bowl to Aaron Rodgers, who dropped 31 points.

Steelers defense was better than the 49ers and our offense is better than the Packers
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Eh, it's not always your choice. Well, not entirely.

If the Chiefs are thinking of coming out with some RPO looks (and you have to figure they will given their effectiveness against zone coverage), there are ways you can align the defensive front to effectively dictate that decision.

Sure, designed runs you're going to probably work it in his direction, but RPO plays, if there's a give, are going to be a little less dynamic. And frankly a DL can just dare you. If the DL shades towards Ford, you're gonna look to go in the opposite direction, are you not?

We did it against TN and largely bluffed them. We constantly gave them looks to suggest we were going to leave the weak side open and then slammed it shut. Well the 49ers could operate similarly and give you a look that all but dares you to run the ball away from him.

The defense can do a little more to dictate the direction you run than you're giving them credit for.
Yeah, that's a good point. Comes back to what we discussed earlier in the week - how much do you change what YOU normally do in reaction to potential for exploiting him?
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Look at the injury report for those games if you want a realistic perspective.
What’s the excuse for how poorly your offense played against the Falcons? Because I didn’t see any major injuries from your offense that day.
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Side note: It looks as though the Niners will continue to use Dre Greenlaw and Fred Warner as its LB in the nickel formation.

How well those San Francisco LB cover is going to be a big factor on Sunday. The 49ers need a real hero effort from them against Kelce and Watkins underneath to really slow the Chiefs' offense with consistency.
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The Saints were without 2 starting LB’s, their LG, Cook got a concussion in the 1st half, and they lost 2 of their best defensive players in the game as well (Davenport and Rankins). But let’s just focus on the 49ers injuries in that game!
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Yeah, that's a good point. Comes back to what we discussed earlier in the week - how much do you change what YOU normally do in reaction to potential for exploiting him?
If Alex Smith is your quarterback, you let them dictate what you do.

When it's Patrick Mahomes - just run your offense. If that means running away from Ford and dealing with his speed if the moment comes, so be it.
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Curious as to what those shirts say? Anyone seen the full shirt? Pretenders? whom?
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Curious as to what those shirts say? Anyone seen the full shirt? Pretenders? whom?
I think it says "NFC Champs" underneath "Pretenders"
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I think it says "NFC Champs" underneath "Pretenders"
they appear to be 49er fans but ya makes almost no sense.
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they appear to be 49er fans but ya makes almost no sense.
Maybe stepping in shit on the sidewalk too often makes one stupid.
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If you want to use the injury excuse, then don't bring up the Chiefs' loss to the Colts.

They were without Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Eric Fisher, among others in that game.
And the supposed SD games where the cover-3 stymied us -- Mexico city field was a joke, and the second game -- let's be honest -- we thought going into the game that it was almost a preseason game -- then Fitzmagic happened. Zone defenses are not some kryptonite for Mahomes and the boys.

Healthy on offense, big game, perfect weather -- let them keep thinking that their cover 3 is some sort of magic -- let's see what happens.
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