Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

I think their D is over rated and our O line is under rated not getting enough credit .

Much like our defense, no respect. I think a part of it is the Mahomes effect though. Mahomes is so great people don't pay attention to anything else.

These 9er fans keep talking about Dee Ford....Dee Ford is going to line up against an All-Pro RT and regarded by many as the best RT in the league.

But not one of them, not a 9er fan, not the national media has even said MITCHELL SCHWARTZ. It's ****ing hilarious. Dude is a ****ing All-Pro and they don't even know his name. They don't even recognize the All-Pro that Dee Ford is allegedly going to come in and dominate.

Fisher is a 1st OVERALL draft pick and a damn stout LT in pass protection and people act like these guys simply don't even exist. "Oh but look at the high round picks the 9ers have on D-line!"

They're going to get slapped in the face so ****ing hard on Sunday.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Ford isn't fully healthy. He even said so in an interview. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come up lame at some point during the game.

In addition, his inability to contribute in the running game limits the amount of time he can be on the field, which reduces his potential to rush the passer on anything other than known passing downs.

Dee Ford isn't a delicate thoroughbred, he's a one-trick pony with a couple of bum legs. Frank Clark is twice the player Ford is.

Ford isn't a complete non-factor in the running game. He's just not an edge-setter.

He's a pursuit player and those have value. Hell, those could have pretty substantial value against a team like SF that will look to stretch the line out on those outside zones. Having Ford's speed from the backside would be pretty nice.

Doesn't help you if you run right at him, but it's not fair to say he provides nothing against the run. Against the Chiefs he's one of the few guys in the league who might be able to stymie the jet sweep actions.

[smithandrew051]

Originally Posted by Pushead2

The Chiefs against the Cover 3 & Cover 4 (Both of SF's principle defenses)

Beautiful

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by A8bil

True, which is why he's a league MVP. But SF was tops in the league in pass defense...that rating went down significantly against mobile QBs who could extend plays. PMII may be able to exploit SF's defense under all circumstances, but SF has no chance if it allows PMII to extend plays.

Which puts the 49ers D in a really tough spot.

Are they going to rely on the zone/assign a spy and let the pass rush blast up field, not worrying about him breaking contain? Takes a man out of coverage and let’s him extend plays.

Are they going to have the front four do a mush rush, just slowly pushing the pocket, and containing that way? Gives him more time to survey and throw.

Are they going to play Dee Ford on early downs or save him for pass only situations? If he doesn’t play on early downs, the pass rush is hurt and the Chiefs throw the ball 2/3 of the time on 1st and 2nd, anyway. If he does play on early downs, the Chiefs can attack him in the run game.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by Rasputin

Saints put up 46 points on that 9er defense

Falcons put up 29

Rams 31

Chargers 27

Seahawks 27




I just don't see that we can't put up a bunch of points against that defense. I think their D is over rated and our O line is under rated not getting enough credit and Patrick is able to move around because that offensive line can let him do what he does .

We will manipulate the 9er defense and do what we want Patricks Will will be done.

Look at the injury report for those games if you want a realistic perspective.

[Coochie liquor]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Looks like he has plenty of experience making that 49er line his bitch.

Does McGlinchey call Frank Clark "dad"??

Originally Posted by Pushead2

All I need to know about Dee Ford.

Look at those unflagged offensive linemen lined way up off the ball.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Ford isn't a complete non-factor in the running game. He's just not an edge-setter.

He's a pursuit player and those have value. Hell, those could have pretty substantial value against a team like SF that will look to stretch the line out on those outside zones. Having Ford's speed from the backside would be pretty nice.

Doesn't help you if you run right at him, but it's not fair to say he provides nothing against the run. Against the Chiefs he's one of the few guys in the league who might be able to stymie the jet sweep actions.

Fair post.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Fair post.

If one is to judge the value of his contentions by the quality of his allies, I'd say it's probably among the least intelligent things I've ever said.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Which puts the 49ers D in a really tough spot.

Are they going to rely on the zone/assign a spy and let the pass rush blast up field, not worrying about him breaking contain? Takes a man out of coverage and let’s him extend plays.

Are they going to have the front four do a mush rush, just slowly pushing the pocket, and containing that way? Gives him more time to survey and throw.

Are they going to play Dee Ford on early downs or save him for pass only situations? If he doesn’t play on early downs, the pass rush is hurt and the Chiefs throw the ball 2/3 of the time on 1st and 2nd, anyway. If he does play on early downs, the Chiefs can attack him in the run game.

I don't disagree with you. I'm hoping (perhaps without reason) that if they can get the pocket to collapse, Mahomes gets scrambling and the 49ers LBs who all play fast are able to limit yardage on the ground or force quick passes before his WRs are able to break coverage.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

If one is to judge the value of his contentions by the quality of his allies, I'd say it's probably among the least intelligent things I've ever said.

Let's revisit my posts after the game...you may come out looking like a genius. Don't succumb to peer pressure.

[jaa1025]

People are actually calling this defense the best he’s ever faced? GMAFB. Not even sure if they are too 5 he’s faced.

[DJ's left nut]

And since Jones, when healthy, is on the field essentially every snap (unlike Ford) - THIS is a damn nice little stat...

The @Chiefs pass rush has been significantly more effective generating pressure this postseason when Chris Jones has been on the field.

Jones ON: 39% pressure rate
Jones OFF: 18% pressure rate#SBLIV | #ChiefsKingdom

— Next Gen Stats (@NextGenStats) January 30, 2020

[burt]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Let's revisit my posts after the game...you may come out looking like a genius. Don't succumb to peer pressure.

You won't be back after Sunday.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by burt

You won't be back after Sunday.

au contraire...member since 2017. I like KC...my second favorite team.

[burt]

Originally Posted by A8bil

au contraire...

Don't you curse at me!!!

Originally Posted by A8bil

member since 2017. I like KC...my second favorite team.

Oops. Never mind.......