Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[wachashi]

What did the Falcons do to contain the Niners offense? They scored 22 points AT HOME against a pedestrian defense. Didn't move the ball particularly well. Just an off game?

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by wachashi

What did the Falcons do to contain the Niners offense? They scored 22 points AT HOME against a pedestrian defense. Didn't move the ball particularly well. Just an off game?

They held the 49ers to under 100 yards rushing and made Jimmy Crappolo throw the ball 39 times.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Mahomes rating when he throws the ball in 2.5sec or less is like 125. I think its 1 or 2 in the league.

True, which is why he's a league MVP. But SF was tops in the league in pass defense...that rating went down significantly against mobile QBs who could extend plays. PMII may be able to exploit SF's defense under all circumstances, but SF has no chance if it allows PMII to extend plays.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Ford was at Auburn for 5 years (because of a medical redshirt) and has played 6 seasons in the NFL.

He's played a full season exactly TWICE.

He can't be depended on to even suit up from game to game, let alone be a disruptive force.

Of course, I thought we were just talking about when both players are at full strength. Ford missed 6 games in the regular season because he's a delicate thoroughbred. Clark is a junkyard dog.

[ChiTown]

Originally Posted by Detoxing

What ive learned this past week is that no one outside of the Chiefs Kingdom knows a goddamn thing about the Chiefs defense.

By far the most slept on, under rated unit in the SB. These 9er fans have no idea because they only know what the National Media tells them, and the National Media doesn't have a clue half the time. Even they are nothing more than an echo chamber.

They (9'rs Fans) really aren't that much different than much of the media and the general idiot opposing teams fans we've encountered over the last 3+ weeks. They keep equating our current D to a 2018 Bob Sutton led D and a 1st half of 2019 Spags lead D vs what has currently been playing in the last 8 games. This D has been pretty special over the last 8 games. Why? Because they are finally understanding their roles and playing free in Spags D. Not to mention, we're healthy, minus Thornhill. But, I'd also say that Dirty Dan has been nothing short of spectacular since Juan went down with that ACL injury.

It's why I stated early in this thread that there isn't one ****ing thing these 9'er morons could state that I couldn't get from spending 5 mins on some 9'er knucklehead's internet blog. In short, they're worthless trolls that should be sent to romper room. JMHO

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by wachashi

What did the Falcons do to contain the Niners offense? They scored 22 points AT HOME against a pedestrian defense. Didn't move the ball particularly well. Just an off game?

The 49ers had 10 drives that game.

5 of those were scoring drives.

They had a TD drive that took 21 plays. TWENTY ONE ****ING PLAYS.
Three drives ended in FGs. On average their FG drives lasted 7 plays.
And one TD drive that was two plays because the Falcons fumbled the punt.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Of course, I thought we were just talking about when both players are at full strength. Ford missed 6 games in the regular season because he's a delicate thoroughbred. Clark is a junkyard dog.

When evaluating the worth of a player, you don't just throw out the parts you don't like.

Ford's injury history alone makes him a lesser player than Clark and about 15 other pass rushers in the league.

He can't get sacks if he can't play.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

The 49ers had 10 drives that game.

5 of those were scoring drives.

They had a TD drive that took 21 plays. TWENTY ONE ****ING PLAYS.
Three drives ended in FGs. On average their FG drives lasted 7 plays.
And one TD drive that was two plays because the Falcons fumbled the punt.

Somewhere Adam Teicher was masturbating furiously but had no idea why...

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

When evaluating the worth of a player, you don't just throw out the parts you don't like.

Ford's injury history alone makes him a lesser player than Clark and about 15 other pass rushers in the league.

He can't get sacks if he can't play.

Agreed. When both are healthy -- which I think both are for the SB -- the impact as a pass rusher is much closer, however. Would you agree?

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Agreed. When both are healthy -- which I think both are for the SB -- the impact as a pass rusher is much closer, however. Would you agree?

Ford is a one trick pony.

Clark has more power/moves and can still win with the speed rush.

Ford has a better speed rush mostly because of his first step, but that’s probably it.

[Rasputin]

Saints put up 46 points on that 9er defense

Falcons put up 29

Rams 31

Chargers 27

Seahawks 27




I just don't see that we can't put up a bunch of points against that defense. I think their D is over rated and our O line is under rated not getting enough credit and Patrick is able to move around because that offensive line can let him do what he does .

We will manipulate the 9er defense and do what we want Patricks Will will be done.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Agreed. When both are healthy -- which I think both are for the SB -- the impact as a pass rusher is much closer, however. Would you agree?

Ford isn't fully healthy. He even said so in an interview. I wouldn't be surprised to see him come up lame at some point during the game.

In addition, his inability to contribute in the running game limits the amount of time he can be on the field, which reduces his potential to rush the passer on anything other than known passing downs.

Dee Ford isn't a delicate thoroughbred, he's a one-trick pony with a couple of bum legs. Frank Clark is twice the player Ford is.

[Pushead2]

The Chiefs against the Cover 3 & Cover 4 (Both of SF's principle defenses)

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Ford is a one trick pony.

Clark has more power/moves and can still win with the speed rush.

Ford has a better speed rush mostly because of his first step, but that’s probably it.

Our guys have practiced against Dee Ford it be interesting knowing how the battles in practice play apart in defending him.


I bet our offense has gotten the best of him more times than he did in practice.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Agreed. When both are healthy -- which I think both are for the SB -- the impact as a pass rusher is much closer, however. Would you agree?

Dee Ford has noted that he's not healthy.

He's simply at a spot where practicing on it won't make it worse. He's been talking about his knee giving him fits for a few weeks now.

As for the hamstring, it appears that's probably good to go. But the knee issue is just something he's gonna have to work around and with something like tendonitis, it's gonna keep him on a snap count.

The difference in Ford and Clark as pass rushers is versatility. Ford over 16 games will be a more productive pass-rusher than Clark because he'll face enough teams/Tackles that simply can't handle his speed to build a healthy lead over Clark.

But in a game-specific review, Clark will oftentimes be significantly more valuable. And there will be no better demonstration than what Ford did vs. NE in the AFCCG last year vs. what Clark did to TN. NE handled Ford's speed and in so doing Clark was NOTHING. He contributed absolutely zero to that game. The Chiefs might as well have sent you out there.

Meanwhile Clark went against a damn good set of tackles and played a great game. Because he simply has more ways to beat you.

So Ford, when his primary attack is working, is more dangerous than Clark. But when it isn't, he's not even NFL caliber. He's effectively worthless.

A boom/bust pass rusher sounds wonderful because he can occasionally single-handedly destroy a gameplan. But the problem comes with the bust part. Ford's floor is just so damn low that Clark's the preferable option and by a pretty fair amount.

And this is from the guy who was arguably Ford's loudest defender here and the person most critical of the Clark move. On balance, Ford's just too damn easy to remove from a game outright.