Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

I am speechless that a grown adult could watch both these players and come to the conclusion that Ford is the better player. It defies all reason. Is it pure blind homerism or just trolling? I can't even understand the thought process. Please explain it to me.

They haven’t watched both these of these players. That’s the issue. They’re clueless.

[JakeF]

Mahomes is the highest-ranked QB in the NFL when under pressure. That is one of the most important stats there is in the NFL.

Hill isn't the best receiver in the NFL but he certainly is one of the most dangerous. His combination of quickness and speed makes him almost indefensible.

Andy Reid knows that if he runs at Dee Ford that the 49ers will pay the price. They would be better off sticking with Bosa and Armstead.


Shanahan's running scheme can be a pain in the ass. The Bronco's used it for a long time against us. Emmanual Sanders also has a good combo of quickness and speed that we've had trouble covering. We have trouble covering RB's and TEs, so stopping the run and covering Kittles are our main 2 defensive priorities.

Sherman can be had deep, he's a guy that is good at being physical and jumping the short stuff. Mahomes needs to be careful with the short passes before smoking him deep. Sherman isn't fast enough to keep up with Hill or Hardman if they get a good release.

To me, the main issue is still in the trenches. Our OT's need to have a good game. If we just hold our own in the trenches we win. We have a significant edge with the skill positions.

[A8bil]

You guys are funny...all sorts of failed logic in the replies here. I'll attribute it to bias rage, LOL.

If you don't know who McGlinchey is, it's more of a statement of your lack of knowledge than McGlinchey's abilities. He consistently grades out as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league. As I noted, however, he has lapses in pass blocking. If you want to see him work against Clark or any other good NFL linemen, go find it yourself.

Uh, if Donald rates as the NFL best getting to the QB at 3.75, why would I be wrong to say that the 49ers need to get to Mahomes within 4 secs? Great pass rushes will have *someone* get to the QB in that time frame, which means either the QB needs to get it off before then, or start scrambling.

So what that Mahomes throws on average within 2.75 secs? Mahomes will get yardage...that's for sure. But the 49ers' defense is at its best when the play goes no longer than 4 secs. During that time frame, they can at least can make a play to either defend the pass, or perhaps go for an interception. But, if PMII can break out of the pocket and extend plays, he'll be able to chunk yardage downfield. The 49ers' secondary is relatively slow and vulnerable on extended plays. They are among the best when the play does not get extended.

Take off your blinders, man. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses...only a homer can't see or discuss them.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Mahomes is the highest-ranked QB in the NFL when under pressure. That is one of the most important stats there is in the NFL.

Hill isn't the best receiver in the NFL but he certainly is one of the most dangerous. His combination of quickness and speed makes him almost indefensible.

And is there a WR in the NFL you'd rather have for this team?

If I'm starting a team from scratch and am told that I will have an average NFL head coach and an average NFL quarterback, I'm taking Michael Thomas. If you tell me I have Bill O'Brien and Jimmy Garappolo to work with, Michael Thomas is my guy.

But if you tell me that I'm starting a team and I get the best arm talent in football and the most dynamic passing mind in the game to coach it - my answer is Tyreek !@#$ing Hill.

No, he's not perfect for every system. No he's not the 'best' guy in a vacuum. But for a brilliantly creative HC and a QB who's constantly looking to attack teams and can keep plays alive for 6+ seconds, there simply isn't a better guy in the league to add to that mix.

It's not just the speed, it's the insane agility, first step and fearlessness. You cannot ask for a better weapon for Mahomes and Reid than Tyreek Hill.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by ReynardMuldrake

I am speechless that a grown adult could watch both these players and come to the conclusion that Ford is the better player. It defies all reason. Is it pure blind homerism or just trolling? I can't even understand the thought process. Please explain it to me.

Could be blind homerism. Clark is the far better all around player. If you narrow it down to pass rushing, Clark may still be the better player but it is a materially closer call. But the luxury of being able to keep Clark on the field for all plays makes him the better player. Period.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by A8bil

You guys are funny...all sorts of failed logic in the replies here. I'll attribute it to bias rage, LOL.

If you don't know who McGlinchey is, it's more of a statement of your lack of knowledge than McGlinchey's abilities. He consistently grades out as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league. As I noted, however, he has lapses in pass blocking. If you want to see him work against Clark or any other good NFL linemen, go find it yourself.

Uh, if Donald rates as the NFL best getting to the QB at 3.75, why would I be wrong to say that the 49ers need to get to Mahomes within 4 secs? Great pass rushes will have *someone* get to the QB in that time frame, which means either the QB needs to get it off before then, or start scrambling.

So what that Mahomes throws on average within 2.75 secs? Mahomes will get yardage...that's for sure. But the 49ers' defense is at its best when the play goes no longer than 4 secs. During that time frame, they can at least can make a play to either defend the pass, or perhaps go for an interception. But, if PMII can break out of the pocket and extend plays, he'll be able to chunk yardage downfield. The 49ers' secondary is relatively slow and vulnerable on extended plays. They are among the best when the play does not get extended.

Take off your blinders, man. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses...only a homer can't see or discuss them.

You said he would run all over Clark. I said- post that shit. We have video of this guy getting thrown around like a rag doll by Clark and all you have is more empty talk.

Either back up your claims or shut the **** up.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Clark whooped up on Jack Conklin in the run game and I’m supposed to think Mike McGlinchey is going to just own him? Based on what?

Healthy Clark looks like one of the 3 best edge setters in football to my eye.

[Skyy God]

Originally Posted by FlaChief58

Holy shit son! Don't forget to put your helmet on before you go outside Corkey

Mahomes >>>>>>>> Solomon Thomas

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by A8bil

You guys are funny...all sorts of failed logic in the replies here. I'll attribute it to bias rage, LOL.

If you don't know who McGlinchey is, it's more of a statement of your lack of knowledge than McGlinchey's abilities. He consistently grades out as one of the best run blocking tackles in the league. As I noted, however, he has lapses in pass blocking. If you want to see him work against Clark or any other good NFL linemen, go find it yourself.

Uh, if Donald rates as the NFL best getting to the QB at 3.75, why would I be wrong to say that the 49ers need to get to Mahomes within 4 secs? Great pass rushes will have *someone* get to the QB in that time frame, which means either the QB needs to get it off before then, or start scrambling.

So what that Mahomes throws on average within 2.75 secs? Mahomes will get yardage...that's for sure. But the 49ers' defense is at its best when the play goes no longer than 4 secs. During that time frame, they can at least can make a play to either defend the pass, or perhaps go for an interception. But, if PMII can break out of the pocket and extend plays, he'll be able to chunk yardage downfield. The 49ers' secondary is relatively slow and vulnerable on extended plays. They are among the best when the play does not get extended.

Take off your blinders, man. Both teams have their strengths and weaknesses...only a homer can't see or discuss them.

Grades out , as in PFF grades out?

That system doesn’t get a lot of traction around here (and hasn’t, not just related to opposing teams).

McGlinchey has a good rep in run blocking, though. So do Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin, and Clark didn’t get bulldozed by either one of them.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by A8bil

Could be blind homerism. Clark is the far better all around player. If you narrow it down to pass rushing, Clark may still be the better player but it is a materially closer call. But the luxury of being able to keep Clark on the field for all plays makes him the better player. Period.

Ford was at Auburn for 5 years (because of a medical redshirt) and has played 6 seasons in the NFL.

He's played a full season exactly TWICE.

He can't be depended on to even suit up from game to game, let alone be a disruptive force.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by A8bil

It is and it isn't...avg pass play is mid-3 seconds. The broken, backyard play typically runs much longer. 49ers can defend well for 4 secs. Over that, and they will lose coverage on Hill, Hardman, Watkins and Kelce, and PMII will make them pay.

Mahomes rating when he throws the ball in 2.5sec or less is like 125. I think its 1 or 2 in the league.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Grades out , as in PFF grades out?

That system doesn’t get a lot of traction around here (and hasn’t, not just related to opposing teams).

McGlinchey has a good rep in run blocking, though. So do Taylor Lewan and Jack Conklin, and Clark didn’t get bulldozed by either one of them.

I have a ton of respect for Lewan and Conklin as run blockers but I even saw Damien Wilson stack Lewan up playing a 9-tech as a standup LB on one particular play.

People severely underestimate how physical the Chiefs defense is now and I kinda get it because the unit we saw in 2017, 2018, and the first 6 weeks of this season was the complete opposite. But they’ll know the new reality soon enough.

[Marcellus]

Another interesting note, Suggs has played the 49ers 2x already this season.

[FloridaMan88]

Originally Posted by Marcellus

Another interesting thing to think about, Spags held one the historically best offenses ever in the NFL to 14 pts in the SB in 2007 with a defense that probably had less talent on it than KC does.

And this 49ers offense is certainly no where close to what that Faketriots offense was.

[jaa1025]

People are actually calling this defense the best he’s ever faced? GMAFB. Not even sure if they are too 5 he’s faced.