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Old 01-26-2020, 01:35 PM  
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Kobe Bryant and daughter killed in helicopter crash
No warranty on this, but it's on TMZ.

https://www.tmz.com/2020/01/26/kobe-...-in-calabasas/
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:52 PM   #181
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This is the daughter. Unimaginable. This clip of Kobe talking basketball with her was going viral just a few weeks ago. Absolutely ****ing awful. I don’t usually get hit hard by celebrity deaths, but the idea of a father and daughter with such a clear bond perishing together, with SO much life in front of each of them is just so tough to take.

Kiss your wife, hug your children, call your mom and dad. You never know when it’s all gonna end.

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Old 01-26-2020, 02:52 PM   #182
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That's awful.
Damnit....
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:52 PM   #183
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If you have trouble on a plane it might be able to land safely. But if the rotors stop on a chopper it just turns into a falling rock.
Auto-rotation is supposed to help, but all too often it doesn’t seem to help at all
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:53 PM   #184
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:55 PM   #185
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Once again it goes to show just how fragile and fleeting life is.....guy had everyone he could ask for yet all gone.

Really sad on so many levels, even for non-followers of the NBA.

His father was my basketball coach for a game in the 70's at Pocono Invitational Basketball Camp in PA. Really cool guy.

So sorry for his family.
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:55 PM   #186
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Commercial air flight is incredibly safe. Private air flight is...not. Seems like we have at least a plane per year go down here in Colorado. The air currents in the mountains are unpredictable and take down people who aren't experienced enough to handle it.
If you have trouble, it's notably more risky to go from one engine to zero than it is to go from two engines to one.

Plus, I figure pilot experience is probably a big differentiator.
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:55 PM   #187
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We have a family member that is one of the private Pilots for the Walmart execs. He flies them all over the world

He talks about how underprepared people always are for what they get into flying wise
Exactly.

It takes maybe a dozen flight hours to be able to fly in ideal conditions. Even landings aren't that tough (and take-offs are a day 2 thing).

But so many private pilots just aren't prepared for adversity. And really, the difference between redundancies on commercial craft vs. private are so enormous.

Flight's simple - lift + velocity. Wings and a motor = flying. Flight surfaces are laughably rudimentary; just redirecting air to steer. So stuff like ultralights are as simple (in many ways more simple) than an economy car.

Commercial craft have the long-term viability chuck hundreds of thousands of dollars in redundancy into and they easily pay for themselves. But to make a commercially viable private aircraft that has those kinds of backup systems is prohibitively expensive for most.

And frankly on a helicopter it's just borderline impossible. Think of how many of those tend to go down in war due to mechanical difficulties. They're just so damn complicated that any kind of system failure is borderline catastrophic.

Like I said - I'm surprised this doesn't happen more often more than anything. It's an inherently dangerous activity.
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:55 PM   #188
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I was talking to some friends just a few days ago about how I would never get on a helicopter if it’s up to me. I just hear about this shit way too often with famous people, let alone any normal person.

Man I could cry and I don’t even watch much basketball. It is that sad.
What blows my mind is that our government for decades has used a helicopter to take the President from the White House to the airport. If I was President, I would refuse to ever step in the helicopter. They can drive me to the airport. Might be slower, but safer IMHO.
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Wow crazy. So many celebrities die in aircraft crashes. Stevie Ray Vaughan, Buddy Holly, Payne Stewart...

RIP
Reminds me of John Denver.
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Old 01-26-2020, 02:57 PM   #190
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Yeah, I've read that helicopters can be surprisingly survivable because of that. Obviously not in every case, though.
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The guy I've worked with for the last 25 years has his pilot license and owns a Cessna 182. He has used it for years to go out to some of our remote job sites. The plane was built in 1967 and it terrifies me to ride in it. I know that they keep up on the maintenance but you can bet some of the innards are really getting up there in age and stress.

He doesn't fly as much now but still goes out 5-6 times a year. He's also 67 now so I have a pretty serious "No Fly" policy.
Ours was a 172 w/ an engine conversion to give it the guts of a 182. And yeah, built in the late 60s, early 70s.

I never felt unsafe on it; we didn't **** around with safety or maintenance. Any flight that might encounter weather was just scrubbed and the hearing continued. But I had an instructor who put us through some adversity paces and do shit like surreptitiously kill the motor without telling us. And that rattled the hell out of me.

It wasn't hard to convince me to walk away because as comfortable as I am w/ vehicles, I knew I was lying to myself when I'd say I was ready for real adversity. The 'carb heater' trick and the like would just rattle me more than I'd expect.

We wasted all the flight training and took a bath on the sale, but nobody really cared at that point. Someone was going to be killed or seriously injured at some point so it was the right decision. I haven't been on a light aircraft since and really don't expect that I will be again.

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Yeah, I've read that helicopters can be surprisingly survivable because of that. Obviously not in every case, though.
Choppers are just inherently dangerous, instead of gliding through the air they beat it to death
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