Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[wachashi]

DVOA says the Titans have the stronger rushing attack, the stronger overall offense, and the better QB. The Niners should be very worried about their ability to score points on this defense. Jimmy G actually graded out slightly worse than Kirk Cousins in the regular season this year.

[All22]

Originally Posted by Pawnmower

Thats much more factual than saying you played the "toughest 6 game stretch of ANY TEAM of ALL TIME".... which as I have pointed out is pretty much impossible to prove or disprove. If you JUST went back to 2002, then you could start trying to put together an argument MAYBE..(if you used other metrics aside from win %) ..but I think there are too many variables like bye weeks, injuries, schedule considerations.....etc... to JUST go by win % as a measure of an opponents "Toughness" and then expand that claim to all other seasons for all time (or even 18 years would be a pretty daunting task).

You keep providing quotes that I never used. That's incredibly dishonest.

And I asked you for a metric... And all those things you name we have. Bye Weeks, Injuries, Travel.

Not that anything before 2002 is going to help you anyway. No one traveled more miles per year than the 49ers. ATL, NO, STL was our division.

[Hern]

Originally Posted by burt

That would be 95% of what these trolls say.....

What’s up Bart. Glad you’re back.

I disagree tho. Many times I’ve started a football convo then the reply’s regarding my convo end up being about poop on the SF streets. And other jokes that I rather not throw out.

I’m here to talk football Burk. Not derail the thread topic.

[All22]

Originally Posted by wachashi

DVOA says the Titans have the stronger rushing attack, the stronger overall offense, and the better QB. The Niners should be very worried about their ability to score points on this defense. Jimmy G actually graded out slightly worse than Kirk Cousins in the regular season this year.

Damn, looks like Minnesota and New Orleans are going to kick our ass lmao

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by All22

You keep providing quotes that I never used. That's incredibly dishonest.

And I asked you for a metric... And all those things you name we have. Bye Weeks, Injuries, Travel.

Not that anything before 2002 is going to help you anyway. No one traveled more miles per year than the 49ers. ATL, NO, STL was our division.

Did you travel to Mexico?

[burt]

Originally Posted by Hern

What’s up Bart. Glad you’re back.

I disagree tho. Many times I’ve started a football convo then the reply’s regarding my convo end up being about poop on the SF streets. And other jokes that I rather not throw out.

I’m here to talk football Burk. Not derail the thread topic.

Maybe you're in the 5%...but we've heard every thing y'all have said. Repeatedly. It's actually getting boring.

[wachashi]

Originally Posted by All22

Damn, looks like Minnesota and New Orleans are going to kick our ass lmao

You should try reading my post again. Maybe slower this time.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by All22

You keep providing quotes that I used. That's incredibly honest.

We get it- no team in the history of the NFL had it harder than you guys playing half your season in perfect California weather.

Road Dogs!!

[Megatron96]

Originally Posted by All22

Damn, looks like Minnesota and New Orleans are going to kick our ass lmao

Things like this is where I find DVOA/metrics in general can be misleading.

Obviously, the 49ers are a better team than the Vikings.

And Jimmy is a better QB than Kirk. Though I'm curious to see how Jimmy does when pressured consistently, and he can't rely on the run game.

But I wonder just how much better. Because I'm seeing trends in their performances that lead me to believe that the 49ers defense isn't that great against the run. And that there are holes in the secondary that can be exploited by a passing attack like ours.

Because it's going to come down to once Pat figures out what those weaknesses are, and cancels out the running attack of SF, can Jimmy go throw for throw against Pat?

[All22]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Did you travel to Mexico?

Yes, we played the Cardinals in the very first game played in Mexico.

[Ming the Merciless]

Originally Posted by All22

You keep providing quotes that I never used. That's incredibly dishonest.

Originally Posted by All22

Our last 6+ games was the hardest stretch any team has ever faced so late in the season.

This is what you said. It is you that is dishonest for backpeddling faster than a fat lesbian on a bicycle going down a hill in SF.


Look at this quote, BY YOU. Then actually read all of my arguments. You cannot prove this statement, as I have spent post after post explaining to you. It is also difficult for me (as I have explained) to write a 200 page thesis and do the studies necessary to prove that your stupid statement is not provable.



You can claim I am being dishonest, but how? I used the word "tough" instead of "hard" ? Come on MAN. Just admit that this statement above isn't provable by any means and move on. They played a bunch of teams with a high win % on the back stretch.....but the "hardest 6 game stretch" of all time? Thats a little much.....as I have explained over and over. ANd no I am not being dishonest. Thats your words...which youre walking back on now...my point (if you need a summary) is win % is not a good measure of a hard opponent sometimes, and then trying to extrapolate that over a huge history of the NFL with different schedules and bye weeks etc...impossible...

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by All22

Yes, we played the Cardinals in the very first game played in Mexico.

This year? No!

Did you play in one single game that was not in a dome or the temperature was below 70 degrees?

Paper Tigers.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Things like this is where I find DVOA/metrics in general can be misleading.

Obviously, the 49ers are a better team than the Vikings.

And Jimmy is a better QB than Kirk. Though I'm curious to see how Jimmy does when pressured consistently, and he can't rely on the run game.

But I wonder just how much better. Because I'm seeing trends in their performances that lead me to believe that the 49ers defense isn't that great against the run. And that there are holes in the secondary that can be exploited by a passing attack like ours.

Because it's going to come down to once Pat figures out what those weaknesses are, and cancels out the running attack of SF, can Jimmy go throw for throw against Pat?

Actually, you have to be cautious in evaluating the 49ers run defense. Kwon Alexander was out most of the year and just came back. He's a huge difference maker in the run defense. Basically, when Kwon's in, they add a super fast pro bowl caliber LB, Warner goes to his natural position and rookie Al-Shaiir goes to the bench. The stats you're looking are without Kwon. Look at the playoffs and how they played Cook and Jones. That's more indicative. That said, the d-line is pretty light and can get gassed. SF needs to win time of possession to keep the defense fresh.

[All22]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

Things like this is where I find DVOA/metrics in general can be misleading.

Obviously, the 49ers are a better team than the Vikings.

And Jimmy is a better QB than Kirk. Though I'm curious to see how Jimmy does when pressured consistently, and he can't rely on the run game.

But I wonder just how much better. Because I'm seeing trends in their performances that lead me to believe that the 49ers defense isn't that great against the run. And that there are holes in the secondary that can be exploited by a passing attack like ours.

Because it's going to come down to once Pat figures out what those weaknesses are, and cancels out the running attack of SF, can Jimmy go throw for throw against Pat?

Lots of teams have loaded up on the run against us. Basically trying to use the Pats 6-1 Superbowl scheme against us since our offense is so similar the Rams. Essentially, that means you give up big plays to Kittle, Juice, Sanders, and Deebo.

I don't think it works too well. It's better to load up against the pass, try to contain big plays in the run game then try to score on offense. Easier said than done though.

[A8bil]

Originally Posted by Megatron96

The game against SEA might be the most informative for us.

SEA didn't have a running game, but somehow managed to run for 125 yards, 4.2 yards/carry.

Wilson had a below-average day for himself, but still threw for 233 yards and 2 TDs. Without a running game and only 2 receivers. One of which can only run 3-5 routes.

And the 49ers front only managed to sack Wilson once. And Russell is one of the most sacked QBs in the league.

Their defense might not be quite a great as everyone thinks it is.

49ers sacked him 5 times in the first game of the season. Second game, Ford was out.