Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[SanDiego49er]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

You’re the one who says we’re about to face a real pass rush for once. Does LA not qualify? A team with Bosa’s ****ing clone on it?

Haha. Bosa's clone. Wow. First of all Nick Bosa is far superior to Joey Bosa. Did you even watch him play this year at all? Second of all I don't see 4 guys on the Charger like Buckner, Amrstead, Ford and Nick Bosa. Those 4 are the best front 4 in the league. The Chargers have nothing like that in their front 4. I've seen and been to many Chargers games. The whole front 4 works together. It's not 1 guy in a vacuum. Our front 4 is far superior to theirs and any NFL expert or analyst would tell you so too.

[staylor26]

Now little brother is already in a different league than big brother

These ****ing 49ers fans are delusional.

I guess you’re also going to try and tell us Chiefs fans that Dee ****ing Ford is 10 times better than Ingram too?

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Andy Reid has been here for 7 years and I honestly can’t recall a game where I said, “son of a bitch, he clearly just didn’t have us ready for that pass rush”...

2015 Broncos. No problem.

Jags and Chargers of the last couple years. Green Bay and Minnesota this year (with Matt Moore).

The only games we’ve had a little trouble, and I mean little, with a pass rush was when Alex was the starter and turtled up.

Still waiting on one game where Mahomes has those problems. Maybe you guys are the first? I wouldn’t put my money on it...

[staylor26]

Joey Bosa:

Proven vet, 11.5 sacks on the year

Nick Bosa:

Rookie, 9 sacks on the year

49ers fan analysis:

Nick is wayyyyyy better than Joey

[anaheimkcfan]

Originally Posted by SanDiego49er

Haha. Bosa's clone. Wow. First of all Nick Bosa is far superior to Joey Bosa. Did you even watch him play this year at all? Second of all I don't see 4 guys on the Charger like Buckner, Amrstead, Ford and Nick Bosa. Those 4 are the best front 4 in the league. The Chargers have nothing like that in their front 4. I've seen and been to many Chargers games. The whole front 4 works together. It's not 1 guy in a vacuum. Our front 4 is far superior to theirs and any NFL expert or analyst would tell you so too.

Bootstraps Bosa is a beneficiary of playing in a stacked line, as you stated. Joey is one of the only ends that has given Mitchell Schwartz fits. Him and Ingram do more with less help on that defense.

It's okay to accept both as truths

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by dls6501

I think we have an advantage when comparing QBs as much as the next guy, but too many posters are painting Jimmy Garapolo to be an Alex Smith clone. Yes, Jimmy plays the game manager role. But he has a higher YPA than Mahomes does this year. Just wanted to point that out.

Go compare Alex Smith's 2017 to Jimmy Garoppolo's 2019. They're practically identical, man. Smith's YPA was 0.4 lower than Garoppolo's. He also threw fewer than half as many sacks and had higher QBR and Passer ratings, while taking sacks at basically the same rate (6.5 for smith vs. 7 for JG).

Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

It's amazing all of these turd 49ers argue exactly like all of the turds that came over who sucked Alex Smith's cock.

SanDiego49er did come over and champion Smith, as I already had him on ignore. The only ones who got relegated to that were the unapologetic Alexcuse makers.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Oh look another idiot 49ers fan that doesn’t know shit about the Chargers defense.

Their best player missed the first 12 weeks, but you probably don’t even know that or who he even is because you guys clearly don’t have a clue talking about the AFC, regardless of where you live.

Please try to argue that you have a better secondary. Please.

You realize there's an argument he can make here. And it's a pretty good one.

Well...kinda good one I guess.

The Chargers defense played the best I saw of them in the 7-8 times I saw them play over the course of the season in week 17. And y'know...they gave the Chiefs some pretty damn good punches in the process. I mean we all remember sitting there in the 2nd half of that game down a few points while Miami was hanging around and thinking "Now wouldn't this be the most Chiefs thing ever - Patriots lose and we managed to **** it up against the Chargers..."

The 49ers do have a slightly better version of the Chargers general personnel group. Better DL, slightly better LBs and admittedly worse secondary. ESPECIALLY the version LAC had in week 17 when Derwin James was an absolute force out there. But they're a little better on balance and the Chargers defense is the only real difficulty the Chiefs have faced for awhile.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by anaheimkcfan

Bootstraps Bosa is a beneficiary of playing in a stacked line, as you stated. Joey is one of the only ends that has given Mitchell Schwartz fits. Him and Ingram do more with less help on that defense.

It's okay to accept both as truths

I wouldn't classify Joey Bosa as having given Schwartz fits. He has been a nonfactor against the Chiefs since Mahomes became QB1.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Andy Reid has been here for 7 years and I honestly can’t recall a game where I said, “son of a bitch, he clearly just didn’t have us ready for that pass rush”...

2015 Broncos. No problem.

Jags and Chargers of the last couple years. Green Bay and Minnesota this year (with Matt Moore).

The only games we’ve had a little trouble, and I mean little, with a pass rush was when Alex was the starter and turtled up.

Still waiting on one game where Mahomes has those problems. Maybe you guys are the first? I wouldn’t put my money on it...

Heck, the current Broncos have two of the best pass rushers in the league (Miller/Chubb) but they have not had much success against Mahomes and company the last couple years.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Andy Reid has been here for 7 years and I honestly can’t recall a game where I said, “son of a bitch, he clearly just didn’t have us ready for that pass rush”...

2015 Broncos. No problem.

Jags and Chargers of the last couple years. Green Bay and Minnesota this year (with Matt Moore).

The only games we’ve had a little trouble, and I mean little, with a pass rush was when Alex was the starter and turtled up.

Still waiting on one game where Mahomes has those problems. Maybe you guys are the first? I wouldn’t put my money on it...

Andy will butthole pucker against fierce pass rushes at time.

We remember the lefthanded pass and the beginning of the Mahomes legend in that Broncos game. But we forget how that game went for 3+ quarters. Andy wanted no part of !@#ing with Miller/Chubb in that game and he was in full check-down mode.

It wasn't until late when things were getting a bit ugly that he took the governor off by necessity.

My hope is that Mahomes has simply knocked that shit out of him and he has the complete trust in PM to simply let it all hang out for one last ride. I think he will.

But I won't say that it's not a crayon he has in his crayon box. He has demonstrated a tendency to turtle up on occasion.

[dirk digler]

Would it be a fair comparison that the 2018 Rams D = 2019 49ers D?

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You realize there's an argument he can make here. And it's a pretty good one.

Well...kinda good one I guess.

The Chargers defense played the best I saw of them in the 7-8 times I saw them play over the course of the season in week 17. And y'know...they gave the Chiefs some pretty damn good punches in the process. I mean we all remember sitting there in the 2nd half of that game down a few points while Miami was hanging around and thinking "Now wouldn't this be the most Chiefs thing ever - Patriots lose and we managed to **** it up against the Chargers..."

The 49ers do have a slightly better version of the Chargers general personnel group. Better DL, slightly better LBs and admittedly worse secondary. ESPECIALLY the version LAC had in week 17 when Derwin James was an absolute force out there. But they're a little better on balance and the Chargers defense is the only real difficulty the Chiefs have faced for awhile.

Derwin James is the big difference maker there, because of his versatility. He scares me more than Bosa or Ingram or anyone else on that D.

I want one for the Chiefs (I know they aren't getting Isaiah Simmons - hopefully Oakland doesn't, either - but Akeem Davis-Gaither seems like a guy who could be snagged in round 4/5 that plays that same role and pops kind of out of nowhere like James did).

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

You realize there's an argument he can make here. And it's a pretty good one.

Well...kinda good one I guess.

The Chargers defense played the best I saw of them in the 7-8 times I saw them play over the course of the season in week 17. And y'know...they gave the Chiefs some pretty damn good punches in the process. I mean we all remember sitting there in the 2nd half of that game down a few points while Miami was hanging around and thinking "Now wouldn't this be the most Chiefs thing ever - Patriots lose and we managed to **** it up against the Chargers..."

The 49ers do have a slightly better version of the Chargers general personnel group. Better DL, slightly better LBs and admittedly worse secondary. ESPECIALLY the version LAC had in week 17 when Derwin James was an absolute force out there. But they're a little better on balance and the Chargers defense is the only real difficulty the Chiefs have faced for awhile.

When you’re talking about defending our offense, I think having a great secondary is more important than the pass rush to be honest (obviously both need to be good). The 49ers front 4 is ****ing stacked, no doubt, but I think they’d be better served losing one or two of those guys for more help in the secondary for this game.

The Chargers also have a much better feel for our offense after playing twice last year and two more times this year.

It’s exactly why I don’t expect us to do any better than the Seahawks defense despite being more talented than they are defensively.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by dirk digler

Would it be a fair comparison that the 2018 Rams D = 2019 49ers D?

Nope.

Rams were better in the secondary, and Aaron Donald is to DL what Pat Mahomes is to QBs.

They don't have anyone on that defense who is as dynamic and unstoppable/uncontrollable as Aaron Donald (even if some seem to think Nick Bosa is already that guy).

[Easy 6]

Originally Posted by The Franchise

This is really all that needs to be said !!!