Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[burt]

Originally Posted by Hern

Believe it or not, there is some gay posters in your forum and I bet they don’t appreciate it.

But since it’s “locker room talk” y’all get the green light to be homophobic and racist (nothing racist was said, just using it as an example of were is the line drawn).

For all you know, I may be gay.... I WILL not lower myself to homophobic humor, OR racist anything. I do admit to having gay and/or mixedish peeps in my family. But this being CP, I guess I will just continue to sadden you. I know these folks would accept my gay and mixedish family without hesitation. And me if I am gay.....

[Clyde Frog]

Originally Posted by Hern

It saddens me that you wouldn’t let it fly IRL but are more than ok participating here. Believe it or not, there is some gay posters in your forum and I bet they don’t appreciate it.

But since it’s “locker room talk” y’all get the green light to be homophobic and racist (nothing racist was said, just using it as an example of were is the line drawn).

No need to white knight and give life lessons, new guy. There are gay posters in here who are open about their sexuality, prominent and well respected. We make fun of everything and everyone in here. It's the way it is. You want to be in your safe zone you can go back to your 49ers feelings forums.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

Just replace "It was John Wick's car they stole" with "The Chiefs offense is healthy and Mahomes is rolling".

DC's know.

The only thing at all that scares me is the time off.

You hate seeing a break when things are humming like this because it's the only shot the 49ers have to knock the Chiefs offense out of rhythm.

If the break doesn't build up rust, they'll score as many as they need to. The 49ers have a great front but the Chiefs OL, when healthy, can pass protect with the best of them. ESPECIALLY now that Mahomes has re-built his trust in them and isn't bailing out of pockets anymore. He's feel for pressure right now borders on supernatural.

My only concern is the built-in bye. If the Chiefs handle this time off correctly, they'll be in great shape.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by Clyde Frog

No need to white knight and give life lessons, new guy. There are gay posters in here who are open about their sexuality, prominent and well respected. We make fun of everything and everyone in here. It's the way it is. You want to be in your safe zone you can go back to your 49ers feelings forums.

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[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only thing at all that scares me is the time off.

You hate seeing a break when things are humming like this because it's the only shot the 49ers have to knock the Chiefs offense out of rhythm.

If the break doesn't build up rust, they'll score as many as they need to. The 49ers have a great front but the Chiefs OL, when healthy, can pass protect with the best of them. ESPECIALLY now that Mahomes has re-built his trust in them and isn't bailing out of pockets anymore. He's feel for pressure right now borders on supernatural.

My only concern is the built-in bye. If the Chiefs handle this time off correctly, they'll be in great shape.

If not for it allowing Chris Jones a week of rest, I'd agree.

But add in that it gives Andy a bye week to do whatever it is he does, hopefully they'll be fine. Just don't come out amped and dropping passes.

You don't want to get behind and let this team just tee off.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by O.city

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Just replace "It was John Wick's car they stole" with "The Chiefs offense is healthy and Mahomes is rolling".

DC's know.

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[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The only thing at all that scares me is the time off.

You hate seeing a break when things are humming like this because it's the only shot the 49ers have to knock the Chiefs offense out of rhythm.

If the break doesn't build up rust, they'll score as many as they need to. The 49ers have a great front but the Chiefs OL, when healthy, can pass protect with the best of them. ESPECIALLY now that Mahomes has re-built his trust in them and isn't bailing out of pockets anymore. He's feel for pressure right now borders on supernatural.

My only concern is the built-in bye. If the Chiefs handle this time off correctly, they'll be in great shape.

To your point about the offense rolling right now, I also think they’re due for a good start.

I’ll be shocked if we don’t get points on our first drive for the first time this postseason.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think a lot of folks are REALLY underestimating how well this offense is playing right now. And by 'this offense' I mean Patrick Mahomes.

They punted 3 times against TN. Once was because of the Kelce drop on 3rd down and it was the first drive of the game. The 2nd was the first drive out of the half and it was because of a Hill drop on 3rd down. The last was in garbage time when they were just trying bleed the clock.

In the Texans game they punted 4 times. 2 were because of drops by Kelce and Robinson, a 3rd in garbage time up 20. ONE came because of a rough drive and Mahomes trying to force a pass in to Tyreek Hill.

In 2 games there has been ONE drive that simply didn't work. In that span they had streak of 7 consecutive TD drives - 8 consecutive scoring drives (that's still unreal to even type) and a streak of 5 touchdowns in 6 drives.

49er fans - you haven't seen this. I know you keep trying to say "well we've faced [X] this year and they're a lot like the Chiefs because [Y]..."

No they aren't. Whatever mad-lib set of answers you have for why you think your defense has faced a test that even BORDERS on what this offense is doing can just be tossed out the window. Right now the only thing that slows this offense down is some sort of self-inflicted wound. If they execute, they're almost certainly going to score and it's almost certainly going to be 7.

The Chiefs offense is a machine of focus, commitment, sheer will. It will come for you and you will do nothing. Because you can do nothing.

They were going against pretty lousy defenses, but the weather was also NOT helpful for a passing offense. If he somehow carves up a really strong Niners defense in route to a SB win, this is the GOAT playoff run by a QB. He has been sensational.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by staylor26

To your point about the offense rolling right now, I also think they’re due for a good start.

I’ll be shocked if we don’t get points on our first drive for the first time this postseason.

I hope so. I wouldn't be surprised conversely if they came out a bit amped and took a drive or two to get settled in.

[BangbangNinerGang]

Originally Posted by duncan_idaho

Don't say I won't give you what you want.



I have watched the Niners play multiple times this year. Generally to root for losses to improve the Chiefs' second round pick in the upcoming draft. Whoops on that one.

This is a franchise - and especially this message board - that has seen every type of game manager possible. We may not be able to tell you exactly what a game manager is, but we know one when we see one. Garoppolo is one.

He's a good one - upper end. Similar to Jared Goff or Alex Smith during his days with Andy Reid (2017 Alex Smith is a good comparison with the dynamic run game and huge weapons at WR and TE). He's a top 10-15ish QB in the NFL.

But he doesn't scare people because we haven't seen him succeed at a high level when things are not lined up for him. Lots of QBs can look good with dynamic playcalling and weapons.

KC has also done really well - its best, actually - in its matchups with less mobile QBs, the category Garoppolo would fall into. Spagnuolo is creative at blitzing from anywhere/everywhere and disguising it very effectively.

This has worked against veteran QBs who are masters at diagnosing and shifting protection - guys like Tom Brady and Philip Rivers. That bodes well for making it worse against a more green QB like Garoppolo.



First, let me clarify something: There are no similarities between Lamar Jackson and Patrick Mahomes, except for winning the MVP in their first full season as NFL starters. Jackson is a dynamic QB, but he's run first and needs to have specific circumstances to be effective as a passer.

That's not Mahomes. Russell Wilson is the best comparison, though Mahomes has more arm, if less perfect touch on his deep ball (Wilson does it best).

Imagine, for a second, that Russell Wilson, instead of Tyler Lockett and DK Metkalf and a bunch of dudes off the street, had played you this year with Tyreek Hill, Sammy Watkins, Mecole Hardman, and Travis Kelce. And then upgrade his OL several notches. And then throw in a RB who is a really dangerous receiver out of the backfield (Damien Williams).

Oh, and instead of having a conservative, unimaginative offense, imagine that it was called by one of the most creative, innovative offensive minds in the NFL in the past 25 years.

How would those 49/Seahawks matchups have gone?



This is a good point. How disciplined the Chiefs remain in the face of all the motion and window dressing the 49ers use is a critical matchup.

Frank Clark and Suggs are very disciplined at E and will do their jobs. Guys like Mike Pennel and Derrick Nnadi have done the same at DT/NT. Chris Jones has really improved in this area up front and has done a better and better job as the year has gone on of being dynamic while also maintainig his gaps.

The key/question is going to be at LB. That's an area where Reggie Ragland has been really good and hit his keys/responsibilities. Hitchens and Wilson have not been as consistent.

Ragland's insertion into the starting lineup and heavy use replacing Darron Lee has been a real key for the Chiefs improved run defense. That, along with Pennel playing heavily on early downs, has been a big part of the Chiefs improved run D.

Final point I'll make here: KC has the personnel to run something similar to what the Patriots did to the Rams (6-1). And even in that set could still be creative in only sending 4-5 and being unpredictable with it.



Thanks. Honestly, the deficits that have come in the Chiefs two playoff games have been more about the Chiefs' mistakes than what the defenses around them have been doing.

The first two drives against Houston ended on third-down drops that would have been easy conversions (Third drive was a legit stop, but that was the only one Houston had all game until clock-killing time).

Same with Tennessee. The first two stalled drives were both due to drops on 3rd (one by Kelce, one by Hill).

The 49ers will be more effective in actually earning stops than either of those teams were, IMO.

- Jimmy G and Game Management: Key games to counter this would be Steelers, coming back from a five turn over deficit and going toe-to-toe with Drew Brees and the Saints. Many point to his turn overs on the stat line but a lot of those were due to deflections from our WRs (drops seem to have gone down since benching Pettis and adding Sanders). I get why people think he is a game manager as that is what most games show, but that is all that is being asked of him, not what he is capable of. As the year went on the playbook opened up and Jimmy progressed significantly. After the Baltimore game (with the exception of the Saints) it seems like Shanahan had a focus on ball control in the latter quarter of the year. Why throw if you cant stop the run? Why open the playbook in the playoffs if the game doesn't dictate it? I think this game will require Jimmy to throw and prove one of our points (my guess is this is your defensive plan and they will be ready).

- PM, I stated he was most like Wilson. But was only pointing out we have experience in dual threat qb's which both PM and Lamar fall under that category.

- No sense in speculating on what match-ups would have been with the 'ifs'. Obviously different, but our divisional games against Seattle are always battles. Pete Caroll's head is being called for, no argument there. I actually now live outside of Seattle so I am surrounded by the noise (yes, another place with homeless people who sh*t on the floor but not at quite the volume as SF)

- Andy Reid is a solid coach, mainly because he came from a Niner pedigree , but with 25 years he has a lot on tape that can be studied and game planned against.


- If you have a weakness at LB that is going to be trouble for you. Mossert went wild because of what he did in the second and third levels. The zone blocking that the Niners use will be studied for the next few years in the NFL as people try to figure out the best recipe to deny it regularly.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I hope so. I wouldn't be surprised conversely if they came out a bit amped and took a drive or two to get settled in.

I understand the concern there, but I think they’re just too good to come out flat like that 3 games in a row.

Actually, I’m going to assume/predict both teams score on their opening drives.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DRM08

They were going against pretty lousy defenses, but the weather was also NOT helpful for a passing offense. If he somehow carves up a really strong Niners defense in route to a SB win, this is the GOAT playoff run by a QB. He has been sensational.

I've seen some people poo pooing his playoffs thus far because he's gone up against "lousy" defenses.

Yeah, **** that noise. It's the playoffs. If teams are that lousy in the playoffs, well, it's not the playoffs.

Those teams looked shitty because the offense is just that good. It's the 2013 Denver offense with Brett Favre at QB instead of a statue.

[SanDiego49er]

Originally Posted by ThaVirus

They'll be tough.

They've got an elite OL, elite TE, a stable of RBs with elite speed, and probably the best collection of individual pass rushing talent in the NFL.

It should be a good game. Our defense is really fierce. OL is great. TE is great. RB's are fast. But you have an extraordinary QB and very fast offense. Shanahan is really good. So is Andy Reid. I would think it should be high scoring. But who knows? I think it will be close either way.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've seen some people poo pooing his playoffs thus far because he's gone up against "lousy" defenses.

Yeah, **** that noise. It's the playoffs. If teams are that lousy in the playoffs, well, it's not the playoffs.

Those teams looked shitty because the offense is just that good. It's the 2013 Denver offense with Brett Favre at QB instead of a statue.

Denver offense got shut down by Seattle in the Super Bowl. But Peyton was a statue and Mahomes’ mobility is potentially a huge factor in this game with the Niners.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by O.city

I've seen some people poo pooing his playoffs thus far because he's gone up against "lousy" defenses.

Yeah, **** that noise. It's the playoffs. If teams are that lousy in the playoffs, well, it's not the playoffs.

Those teams looked shitty because the offense is just that good. It's the 2013 Denver offense with Brett Favre at QB instead of a statue.

They just spent two weeks talking about the return of JJ Watt and how the Titans have a really good defense and Vrabel is a genius.

Of course the narrative changes after the fact.