Let's talk about the 49ers (Super Bowl Edition)

[TLO]

Well Chiefs vs Packers is what I had hoped for, but that's not happening.

Let's talk about Chiefs vs 49ers here.

[MOARGore]

Originally Posted by staylor26

Lol we beat your toughest playoff opponent without Mahomes and almost beat the other too.

Nice avatar.

I was at that game in the rain at Doak.

[KC Dan]

Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher

Ouch this 9er fan is walking on thin ice. Let me help....

"Mr. Fisher, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul."—CP

[Molitoth]

Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher

Also the chiefs were wanted for the super bowl so the refs called the game that way so we'll see how the super bowl plays out. .

Seriously? WTF?

You have every right to bitch about referees, as I'm sure the Tits got screwed on some calls this season (like every NFL team)... but that AFCC was called very well.

[wachashi]

The Vikings, Packers, and Seahawks are all run-first NFC teams. The 49ers made those teams uncomfortable by taking away the running game. The Chiefs really don't care about running the ball. We don't look to "establish the run" - we just use it situationally and occasionally to keep teams honest if all they are doing is rushing the passer. I could see the 49ers taking away our longer developing routes on several plays because their pass rush is so good that those routes won't have time to develop. But I have to think our screen game and short passing game is going stress that defense either way. Might be a big YAC type of game for our offense. Quick slants over the middle to Hill, Watkins, Hardman are going to be tough to defend.

[MOARGore]

Originally Posted by wachashi

The 49ers pass defense is vulnerable. I feel like they are similar to the Titans in that respect, but obviously they can generate a pass rush with just their front four, whereas the Titans had a difficult time with that. The 49ers have allowed elite receivers to go off on them - it doesn't seem like they're able to scheme away a team's top receiving threat. Julio Jones had 13 catches for 134 yards and 2 TDs. Michael Thomas had 11 catches for 134 yards and 1 TD. Davante Adams just went for 9 catches and 138 yards. With all of the weapons the Chiefs have, the 49er's defensive backs are going to have a really tough time if that pass rush isn't applying pressure quickly.

This is a little misleading because Ford, Tart (our starting SS), and Kwon (or best coverage LB) didn’t play against the Saints and Falcons. Our nickel CB was also in the concussion protocol for the Falcons game.

And Adams got his yards in garbage time yesterday.

That said, Mahomes’s mobility and uncanny ability to throw on the run can negate the rush.

Wilson and Kyler Murray gave us the most trouble.

I expect the Chiefs to get into the 30s, but I think we can, too.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by MOARGore

Nice avatar.

I was at that game in the rain at Doak.

I was as well. Special.

[Hern]

Originally Posted by wachashi

The 49ers pass defense is vulnerable. I feel like they are similar to the Titans in that respect, but obviously they can generate a pass rush with just their front four, whereas the Titans had a difficult time with that. The 49ers have allowed elite receivers to go off on them - it doesn't seem like they're able to scheme away a team's top receiving threat. Julio Jones had 13 catches for 134 yards and 2 TDs. Michael Thomas had 11 catches for 134 yards and 1 TD. Davante Adams just went for 9 catches and 138 yards. With all of the weapons the Chiefs have, the 49er's defensive backs are going to have a really tough time if that pass rush isn't applying pressure quickly.

Although I won’t disagree, I will say we’ve had more success shutting down the opp best WR more often than not.

Chris Godwin
Mike Evans
Jarvis Landry
OBJ
Stefon Diggs
Adam Thielen
Devante Adams

Also, Devante Adams got the majority of his yards in garbage time.

[Beef Supreme]

Originally Posted by Jeff.Fisher

Ouch this 9er fan is walking on thin ice. Let me help..
This chiefs defense is very much improved.. i thought it was because they had played some bad offenses but they shut down henry when no one else could.. How much of that was the chiefs d vs henry overused the past few weeks i'm not sure. Also henry's hamstring was flaring up by the 2nd quarter. But the chiefs were able to stop henry with 9 in the box.
Shanahan will have more success however, as he is not mule headed to keep calling the same play repeatedly trying to impose his manhood, or henrys manhood.. regardless, the 9ers have much better play callers. It will be interesting to see if the chiefs are able to keep up their success. Of course they did give up 24 points to a one dimensional offense with a retread journeyman quarterback who cant play in cold weather though.

The Titans did a good job with kelce. Think they focused on him a little too much and let others make too many plays.

Also the chiefs were wanted for the super bowl so the refs called the game that way so we'll see how the super bowl plays out. I'm expecting a high scoring game, with the 9ers getting a defensive score or 2 and mahomes throwing to his speedy finesse recievers.

Get the **** out of there with this shit.

[VAGOMO 4 LIFE!]

Originally Posted by Hern

Although I won’t disagree, I will say we’ve had more success shutting down the opp best WR more often than not.

Chris Godwin
Mike Evans
Jarvis Landry
OBJ
Stefon Diggs
Adam Thielen
Devante Adams

Also, Devante Adams got the majority of his yards in garbage time.

So which player are you gonna double? Kelce or Tyreek? If you double both Watkins will go off.

[Iowanian]

Originally Posted by Hern

Although I won’t disagree, I will say we’ve had more success shutting down the opp best WR more often than not.

Chris Godwin
Mike Evans
Jarvis Landry
OBJ
Stefon Diggs
Adam Thielen
Devante Adams

Also, Devante Adams got the majority of his yards in garbage time.

The good news is, the Chiefs have almost as many guys who can put up 200 yards in receiving on any given day than San Fran has tons of human shit dumped in public streets today.

Please...Put Sherman in single coverage on Hill. Please double hill and 87.

[johnny961]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

Our defense is not bad. We just shut down Henry when no one else could. We have physicality on defense. Just ask Honey Badger or Dirty Dan Sorensen

Yes. Our defense has improved dramatically since Spags took over. That being said, I do think that the niners will be a tougher opponent than the Titans were as far as slowing down their offense. I think that they have enough of a passing game that we will not be able to sell out against the run. They will get theirs, but I think that the key will be slowing them down enough to where Mahomes and company can put us over the top.

[DRM08]

Originally Posted by MAHOMO 4 LIFE!

So which player are you gonna double? Kelce or Tyreek? If you double both Watkins will go off.

Or Hardman, or Damien in the flats, or Mahomes getting cheap yards with his legs...and even Robinson might pop up from time to time. He got a nice 24 yarder yesterday. It is hard to defend all these guys.

[duncan_idaho]

Originally Posted by MOARGore

This is a little misleading because Ford, Tart (our starting SS), and Kwon (or best coverage LB) didn’t play against the Saints and Falcons. Our nickel CB was also in the concussion protocol for the Falcons game.



And Adams got his yards in garbage time yesterday.



That said, Mahomes’s mobility and uncanny ability to throw on the run can negate the rush.



Wilson and Kyler Murray gave us the most trouble.



I expect the Chiefs to get into the 30s, but I think we can, too.

Welcome. Please stick around- your reasonable takes are appreciated.

Does Tartt typically drop deep in your cover 3 or is it primarily Witherspoon and Sherman?

[Hern]

Originally Posted by Iowanian

The good news is, the Chiefs have almost as many guys who can put up 200 yards in receiving on any given day than San Fran has tons of human shit dumped in public streets today.

Please...Put Sherman in single coverage on Hill. Please double hill and 87.

I’m a visitor here so I’ll take the high road and keep it peaceful...

I 100% agree. This is why my original post stated that it’ll take the pass rush to get to Mahomes to negate that speed the Chiefs WR have. If we can’t get to your QB before routes develop, it’ll be over by halftime.

[DJ's left nut]

The 49ers are the toughest matchup in the NFL for the Chiefs.

The Chiefs can struggle if you get pressure w/ 4 because they can't run the ball efficiently enough to slow the DL down and the screen game just hasn't been very good. So teams that can send 4 and create havoc can keep 7 in coverage and do enough to clog up passing lanes and/or disrupt the timing of the offense. With Bosa, Armstead, Buckner and (yes) Ford - that's a lot of guys that can **** stuff up on the DL. It's a nasty front that can make things difficult all day without having to send extra defenders.

On offense they have genuine game-breakers out of the backfield in Mostert and Breida, who are both very elusive and very quick. Henry isn't as shifty or quick - he gave you a target to hit. The Niners backs don't and Shanahan runs the most interesting running attack in football right now. He's just got a damn nice scheme.

Moreover, if you sell-out to clog rushing lanes, Samuel's emergence as a deep threat along with Sanders as a stick mover and the dangerous Kittle mean that they can really hurt us if we give them an opening.

I figured the Chiefs had a real nice path to double digit wins against both Houston and TN, but this 49ers team is a different critter.

The Chiefs can obviously win the game, but they need to play the best game (ALL 60 minutes) that they've played all season. None of these brutal 3rd down drops. None of the coverage breakdowns and none of the stupid penalties.

They have to play incredibly well. Their previous 2 opponents simply weren't at their level talent-wise. They could give a B- effort and beat two overmatched teams. The 49ers ain't overmatched. Not on paper and not in the coaching staff.

This is gonna be a dogfight and if the Chiefs come out flat, they'll lose it. They have to come out sharper than they've come out in the last 2 games.