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Old 05-10-2019, 03:18 PM   #2836
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Old 05-10-2019, 03:20 PM   #2837
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There will probably be some initial excitement, but it's going to tank just like Lyft.
Hope so. Otherwise rates go up.
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Old 05-10-2019, 04:24 PM   #2838
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I'm not sure on tractors. Do people tractor all day/everyday? There is also scale. If you have 10 tractor drivers you can get rid by automating, your insurance is going to be really costly versus a company with 500k drivers.

I think a key difference is Uber/Lyft already provide collision, liability, 3rd party insurance, under or uninsured motorist coverage to it's human drivers. It's really just a matter of the math working out via human labor costs vs autonomy costs and any delta in insurance payments. Uber is trying to create their own autonomy platform. They could buy a ford install it and then they'd be responsible. I don't think that's how it'll work but there will be several models. I also think it's a long way off outside of niche things.

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Yeah. A lot of tractors run a lot of hours. It is very much a timing and labor issue.

It's not an insurance problem, we don't carry any collision insurance on tractors at the moment. It's a liability problem, which could be insured against.

Think about it this way. Somebody convinces a court that there is a manufacturer default that caused the wreck. Insurance company says, welp, I'm out. Then it isn't an accident, they're going after the evil corporate empire, and the'll try to find a class action. Because that's what lawyers do.
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Old 05-10-2019, 05:48 PM   #2839
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Yeah. A lot of tractors run a lot of hours. It is very much a timing and labor issue.

It's not an insurance problem, we don't carry any collision insurance on tractors at the moment. It's a liability problem, which could be insured against.

Think about it this way. Somebody convinces a court that there is a manufacturer default that caused the wreck. Insurance company says, welp, I'm out. Then it isn't an accident, they're going after the evil corporate empire, and the'll try to find a class action. Because that's what lawyers do.
In the end I think this will need some regulation. I imagine drones will be the same. The car companies have risked lives before to save money on recalls when they knew there was an issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.6e1f6b2f20ee

If it improves productivity and corporate profits, I feel confident the gov will make it work. I guess we'll see. Wouldn't invest in Uber rn though. I think Uber freight is interesting but it's a tiny part of revenue and Amazon is doing it too.
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Old 05-10-2019, 05:57 PM   #2840
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In the end I think this will need some regulation. I imagine drones will be the same. The car companies have risked lives before to save money on recalls when they knew there was an issue.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.6e1f6b2f20ee

If it improves productivity and corporate profits, I feel confident the gov will make it work. I guess we'll see. Wouldn't invest in Uber rn though. I think Uber freight is interesting but it's a tiny part of revenue and Amazon is doing it too.

Yeah I agree. Nobody wants autonomous vehicles more than this guy. You have no idea the extent to which I want out of the cab.

I just don’t see it. Some kid runs out in front of a car and suddenly the mom wants $100M. You just can’t skate on that kind of risk IMO.
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Old 05-13-2019, 11:06 AM   #2841
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Nobody knows other than ppl in our or Chinas admin. Double check your list of stocks to grab in any downturn or even prep for selling puts to find some good entry points, I guess.

Somebody posted they wished they'd bought X and Y during the last downturn. Anybody with any ideas they've been waiting on?

I'll start, CME, unfortunately it's very expensive and rarely comes down. It's a monopoly of sorts and Congress looked into it a decade ago but declined to do anything. It pays a modest dividend. Volatility from stock market drops isn't all that bad for them as it bouys their business of selling futures, etc.
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On shark tank last night Kevin was lamenting the low return on a potential investment and said that instead of investing the 250k in that company that he’d be better off putting it “in a reap and get 9%”.

Maybe it wasn’t “reap”, but it sounded similar.

Is there such a thing as a guaranteed 9% these days? Or was it some stock thing?


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On shark tank last night Kevin was lamenting the low return on a potential investment and said that instead of investing the 250k in that company that he’d be better off putting it “in a reap and get 9%”.

Maybe it wasn’t “reap”, but it sounded similar.

Is there such a thing as a guaranteed 9% these days? Or was it some stock thing?


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He might have been saying "REIT" - Real Estate Investment Trust. I've heard it pronounced at "reet".

They tend to pay good dividends that can sometimes approach 9 percent, but they're a stock so the actual stock price can fluctuate. The return isn't guaranteed.

I kind of like REITs as a relatively stable return with a high floor and low ceiling. When I'm retired, I'll probably put more of my money into them.

If there's something with a guaranteed 9 percent return out there, I'd put 100 percent of my money into it. Such a thing doesn't exist, at least not in theory.
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