The PPE and decisions...

[kccrow]

So, 4 players from KC earned the Proven Performance Escalator for the final year of their deals. They are:

CB Kendall Fuller
WR Tyreek Hill
FS Eric Murray
WR Demarcus Robinson

As you know, that means that these players will have their 2019 salaries increased to the Original Round tender value for RFAs. That is estimated at $2,035,000. This salary is NOT guaranteed.

So, the question now becomes, are Eric Murray and Demarcus Robinson worth keeping at this rate?

Not only this, but FS Jordan Lucas and ILB Terrance Smith are both RFAs who will be in line for the same amount unless they reach a deal for a contract or are allowed to walk.

My personal opinion is that Lucas should be retained on a 1-year vet-minimum deal for $720,000 + $90,000 bonus money and not be tendered. Smith should walk.

I am in the air about Murray and Robinson. I don't think either bring enough value to the team to actually be worth that escalator, but then can the Chiefs afford to cut either?

Murray is really the only FS on the team right now unless Berry is retained AND is healthy in 2019 AND moves permanently to FS. With Conley and DAT both being FAs, Robinson is the only receiver next in line that really has experience.

What do you think KC does?

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If they can't trade him that's the issue since he's a bad fit for the 4-3 scheme.

Oh I'm sure they could trade him if you mean Ford.

If you mean Houston, I don't know; I don't know if anyone is going to want to pay him his cap number especially when they know we'll probably cut him and they can renogotiate unemcumbered.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

If they can't trade him that's the issue since he's a bad fit for the 4-3 scheme.

I think he's a really good fit at Leo.

Ford was not a stud against the run this year, but he was solid; firmly average to my eyes. Especially on runs away from him; his pursuit speed is so good that running to the opposite side doesn't work well against him at all. So you have to run weakside to attack him and that just takes a blocker out of the equation. Traditionally offenses tend to have the LT focus on pass-blocking with their RTs being more run-blocking specialists, so the LTs (unless they're elite) tend to excel a little less against the run, also helping Ford out a bit. The biggest concern that then creates is whether Hitchens can effectively man the middle.

Because he'll have to if you have Ford and DoD at the Leo and Will respectively. Not a lot of mass over there and so power running will lead to them getting swallowed up a bit. You'll need Hitchens and your SS charging in hard in the hopes that DoD and Ford can occupy blockers well enough to create lanes for the other guys to knife into.

The 4-3 under may actually be perfect for Ford, to be honest. My biggest worry is that he hasn't shown the ability to rush off the right side of the formation nearly as well for some strange reason. If that's a bugaboo, then yeah - we need to move him. But it's just more of a perception and/or sample size issue, I think he'll do well over there.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I think he's a really good fit at Leo.

Ford was not a stud against the run this year, but he was solid; firmly average to my eyes. Especially on runs away from him; his pursuit speed is so good that running to the opposite side doesn't work well against him at all. So you have to run weakside to attack him and that just takes a blocker out of the equation. Traditionally offenses tend to have the LT focus on pass-blocking with their RTs being more run-blocking specialists, so the LTs (unless they're elite) tend to excel a little less against the run, also helping Ford out a bit. The biggest concern that then creates is whether Hitchens can effectively man the middle.

Because he'll have to if you have Ford and DoD at the Leo and Will respectively. Not a lot of mass over there and so power running will lead to them getting swallowed up a bit. You'll need Hitchens and your SS charging in hard in the hopes that DoD and Ford can occupy blockers well enough to create lanes for the other guys to knife into.

The 4-3 under may actually be perfect for Ford, to be honest. My biggest worry is that he hasn't shown the ability to rush off the right side of the formation nearly as well for some strange reason. If that's a bugaboo, then yeah - we need to move him. But it's just more of a perception and/or sample size issue, I think he'll do well over there.

His size /frame issue is directly affects his capability to play the position. The guy is injury prone and the wear and tear taking on LT's and LG's schemed to run at him will make him a liability. Getting constantly pushed on will **** with his back which has been problem since college.

[TambaBerry]

Have to do what the Patriots are doing with Flowers. Just let Ford go

[jjchieffan]

I keep hearing cut Sorensen. And he may end up getting cut. But it won't be early in free agency. We're too thin at safety to cut him until we know that there is better available to replace him. That won't be known until training camp rolls around. And maybe that will happen. If(big if, I know)Berry somehow comes back to form. Lucas, Watts, and a draft pick/ FA safety all step up then it can happen. But too much is in the air to just cut him now. I don't think that he is really overpaid that much anyway. His base is $3.6 million. His cap hit is $4.6 million and his dead cap is $2 million.

[CoMoChief]

So the Chiefs could potentially see Conley AND Robinson walk?

One of those guys will be a Chief next season I'd assume. I would hope they refrain from using a draft pick on a WR.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

His size /frame issue is directly affects his capability to play the position. The guy is injury prone and the wear and tear taking on LT's and LG's schemed to run at him will make him a liability. Getting constantly pushed on will **** with his back which has been problem since college.

Yep. He's a due for another injury at any moment.

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by CoMoChief

So the Chiefs could potentially see Conley AND Robinson walk?

One of those guys will be a Chief next season I'd assume. I would hope they refrain from using a draft pick on a WR.

Robinson won't walk, he's not a free agent. He earned the PPE, increasing his 2019 base salary to 2m. My question was whether the Chiefs should retain him at that given his lack of real production.

[Chris Meck]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Robinson won't walk, he's not a free agent. He earned the PPE, increasing his 2019 base salary to 2m. My question was whether the Chiefs should retain him at that given his lack of real production.

Well, you're going to have to pay either Robinson or Conley. If you project that Robinson can match Conley's production, you sign Robinson. If you don't, you sign Conley.

Conley will cost more I think. But you have to do one or the other, this offense is too complicated to try to plug someone else in and expect them to have the whole thing down by game 1.

personally, I think you roll with Robinson.

[Tribal Warfare]

Originally Posted by htismaqe

Yep. He's a due for another injury at any moment.

Ford was on the cusp of being labeled a broke dick after the 2017 season.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Tribal Warfare

Ford was on the cusp of being labeled a broke dick after the 2017 season.

Welcome to BipolarPlanet.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

I’d cut Murray.

Yep, he can't cover and can't tackle. Weak ass bitch.

[Halfcan]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, you're going to have to pay either Robinson or Conley. If you project that Robinson can match Conley's production, you sign Robinson. If you don't, you sign Conley.

Conley will cost more I think. But you have to do one or the other, this offense is too complicated to try to plug someone else in and expect them to have the whole thing down by game 1.

personally, I think you roll with Robinson.

Robinson all day, every day. Conley can't catch and has a fumble problem.

[htismaqe]

Originally Posted by Halfcan

Robinson all day, every day. Conley can't catch and has a fumble problem.

Yep.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Chris Meck

Well, you're going to have to pay either Robinson or Conley. If you project that Robinson can match Conley's production, you sign Robinson. If you don't, you sign Conley.

Conley will cost more I think. But you have to do one or the other, this offense is too complicated to try to plug someone else in and expect them to have the whole thing down by game 1.

personally, I think you roll with Robinson.

If you're gonna pay him $2 million, try to get him extended.

3 years with a $3 million signing bonus and base salaries of $500K, $1 million and $3 million? Guarantee the first 2 years for injury?

I'd imagine he'd probably turn that down but it seems worth exploring.