Ron Torbort should be fired

[Chief Northman]

Atrocious job by Torbort and his crew today:

- Atrocious spots of the ball
- Missed holdings on Browns receivers in red zone
- Dee Ford strip sack and recovery taken away on a clean play nobody flagged
- Chiefs decline Cleveland penalty, CLOCK SHOULD BE RUNNING. Torbort ****s up and misinterprets situation moving Chiefs out of FG range and costing them a timeout.

Quit propping up shit franchises NFL. Browns made their own bed. They best lie in it.

Horrible.

[lcarus]

If a team spikes it when the clock isnt running, they are already penalizing themselves unnecessarily by burning a down. A flag and a 10 yard loss + 10 second runoff is dumb. That scenario shouldnt induce a grounding penalty. Its not the purpose of the rule.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

You're wrong.

I'm looking at it right now.

It's at 9 seconds the entire time before Mahomes snaps the ball and spikes it.

sooooo....post it and end the speculation...

[Kman34]

Originally Posted by DaFace

It ticked from 9 to 8 during the play.

Yes.. you are right ... after watching again...

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by DenverChief

IDK if anyone has mentioned this but the clock was clearly running, it ticked off 1 second before the snap and spike. Anyone that could post that vid would be greatly appreciated.

Here's a vid. Clock doesn't start until the ball is snapped. https://thebiglead.com/2018/11/04/pa...ng-on-a-spike/ (site is aids but it loads eventually)

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

The important thing we've learned here, is that beings with vaginas have no place being referees in this league.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by lcarus

If a team spikes it when the clock isnt running, they are already penalizing themselves unnecessarily by burning a down. A flag and a 10 yard loss + 10 second runoff is dumb. That scenario shouldnt induce a grounding penalty. Its not the purpose of the rule.

If it's not a LEGAL SPIKE TO STOP THE CLOCK, the QB must throw at a receiver, or throw towards the LOS while outside the pocket, or it is by definition intentional grounding.

Since it's logically IMPOSSIBLE to stop a clock that isn't running, the spike was not legal Per item 3.

[DenverChief]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's a vid. Clock doesn't start until the ball is snapped. https://thebiglead.com/2018/11/04/pa...ng-on-a-spike/ (site is aids but it loads eventually)

Thank you

[suzzer99]

rabble and clay putting on a microcosm of the internet here

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

Here's a vid. Clock doesn't start until the ball is snapped. https://thebiglead.com/2018/11/04/pa...ng-on-a-spike/ (site is aids but it loads eventually)

BOOM.

INTENTIONAL GROUNDING.

CORRECT CALL..

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

rabble and clay putting on a microcosm of the internet here

Difference is...I'm laughing over here.

Can't believe it's even a question.

[suzzer99]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

BOOM.

INTENTIONAL GROUNDING.

CORRECT CALL..

I think your missing the point some though - as I did at first. Just because the rule says a player can spike the ball to stop the clock, nowhere is it clear that means they *can't* spike the ball under normal legal spike circumstances.

What was the intent of that line about spiking the ball? Was it:

A) just to make it clear that a spike to stop the clock (as any other spike when not under duress) is legal?

OR

B) to make it clear that only a spike when the clock is running is legal but a spike when the clock is running is not?

It's badly worded, but my money leans toward A.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

1. The PLAY clock was running; the GAME clock was not. The item 3: "player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time" is telling :

Can't do it from the shotgun, and it has to be done to stop the GAME CLOCK LEGALLY TO SAVE TIME.

If the GAME CLOCK isn't running, then therefore the player is not legally stopping the clock to save time. Because the clock wasn't running.

Clay keeps asking for the rule, and I see it right there in black and white.

2. It was intentional grounding;
The QB was not outside the pocket, did not throw toward the line of scrimmage, had no receiver in the area, and the game clock was not running at the snap, so it wasn't done to legally save time on the clock.

Here is Item 3. Stopping Clock. A player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time if, immediately upon receiving the snap, he begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.

The ball was snapped, the game clock starts, Mahomes immediately upon receiving the snap begins a continuous throwing motion and throws the ball directly into the ground.

Once the ball is snapped, the game clock is running so the player under center is technically spiking to stop the game clock and save time.

[rabblerouser]

Originally Posted by suzzer99

I think your missing the point some though - as I did at first. Just because the rule says a player can spike the ball to stop the clock, nowhere is it clear that means they *can't* spike the ball under normal legal spike circumstances.

What was the intent of that line about spiking the ball? Was it:

A) just to make it clear that a spike to stop the clock (as any other spike when not under duress) is legal?

OR

B) to make it clear that only a spike when the clock is running is legal but a spike when the clock is running is not?

It's badly worded, but my money leans toward A.

Let's dissect "player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Like, in order to legally stop the clock, it has to be running. If the game clock isn't running...then any spike attempt would be be for any reason other than to stop the clock, correct? Which would then not be legal...right?

"To save time"

The clock was at 9. It would stay at 9 until the snap...so there is no possible way for the spike to have been legal, per Line 3.

[Kyle DeLexus]

Originally Posted by rabblerouser

Let's dissect "player under center is permitted to stop the game clock legally to save time"

Like, in order to legally stop the clock, it has to be running. If the game clock isn't running...then any spike attempt would be be for any reason other than to stop the clock, correct? Which would then not be legal...right?

"To save time"

The clock was at 9. It would stay at 9 until the snap...so there is no possible way for the spike to have been legal, per Line 3.

You are adding an interpretation that is not included in the rules. Once the ball is snapped, the game clock is running. Therefore, a spike of the ball would be to save time.

[Mecca]

The refs ****ed it up much the same as they ****ed up most of the game today.