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So what did we give up?
I for one do not see us trading with Philly. They are devoid 2nd and 3rd round picks and the problem is they would want compensation this year. Interest in the Chiefs extra 2019 2nd rounder would not come from Philly. They want picks now, which KC can’t afford to give up. Trading up in the 2nd is more realistic because of the lesser costs. I like Hughes, but shudder at what KC does to go get him.... |
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I don't think Denver will go secondary with their first pick. There should be a couple of good CB's available at the top of the second, and Denver is in good shape at S and slot corner. Ridley, Roquan, and Edmunds could be guys they go after if they wind up picking in the 11/12 range.
The Broncos better get an absolute haul if they're going to trade out with Rosen, Chubb, and Nelson sitting there. Last edited by Quesadilla Joe; 04-15-2018 at 08:27 PM.. |
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I’m thinking a trade with Dorsey or Ballard is better for us since they both have tons of picks this year.
I think we could easily trade up to 35 or 37 for a 2019 2nd.
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Getting Minkah at 11 would be great value though and if Denver is drafting BPA he'd probably be the guy they'd take at that spot..
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I really think this idea of trading into the first round is stupid. It will cost us too much. I hope we stay put. Giving up our 2cd, one of our 3rds and what ever else it would take is just to much of a price to pay.
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Draft this year should be crazy but still won’t top what the Chiefs did last year.
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Prepare thyself for book..... ok go.
As you can tell, I really don't care much about trading up into the 1st being "stupid" because it's not about how I feel about your opinion (I actually respect it), it's about what I expect will happen and Veach hinted at as much. As for the compensation, 2(54), 3(86), and 2019 3rd is the likely price. A late 3rd and a future 3rd is hardly a king's ransom to go up and get a CB the Chiefs need. I'm gonna say this right now, you can scratch off Fitzpatrick, Ward, Alexander, Jackson, Hughes, Oliver, and Davis as being available at 54 because none of them will be. If I'm betting, none will be available outside the top 40. The Chiefs have been heavily scouting a good chunk of that group. After that group, you probably aren't getting a day 1 starter at the position except for maybe a slot guy like Dante Jackson or Parry Nickerson. Now, if you think the Chiefs should wait and trade up on day 2 into the top 40, it's still going to cost at least #86 and could possibly cost #78 depending on how high they go. At that point, you're worried about next year's 3rd being too much extra to pay and with two 2nds, I'm thinking it's a non-issue. Now, if I do focus on the opinion part and the Chiefs sit at 54, then I wouldn't expect them to get a CB. I think S, OG, or TE would be more likely. If the Chiefs stay put, I'm beginning to think that the talent that will match the selection will lie along the offensive line, so I'd rather they get a really good offensive lineman like maybe a Frank Ragnow, Tyrell Crosby, or Braden Smith to fill that left guard slot. I wouldn't mind a ballhawk safety like Jessie Bates either. I do have to admit that I'm slightly torn myself on what I would like the Chiefs to do. I don't like the secondary as it sits, that's for sure. I really don't trust Amerson to cut it. I'll be posting my annual "what I want mock" in the coming days so you'll see what I decide on then. To be honest, I'm not overly excited about much of the talent at 3-4 DE that could be there in round 2. I certainly am not up in arms about a Division II prospect there and much of the class is full of 4-3 NT types that can stop the run but really don't have the length and athleticism to play 4i to 5 tech. I'd rather wait on a couple of guys that might take some time to develop in the 4th round range like Jalyn Holmes, R.J. McIntosh, and so on. |
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Do you think Denver would draft Rosen? They don't seem, to me, to be all that enamored with him. Trying to justify Nelson being a "must pick" kind of guy for Denver: Is Connor McGovern good enough to be the future at RG? I really was high on him coming out. It looked like he was really coming on down the stretch last year. Are there issues with Ronald Leary at LG? Is Chubb a necessity with being 3 deep at EDGE already? On compensation for the trade... I wouldn't expect an enormous haul from a team going from 11 to 5. Guessing it would be around a 2nd and a 2nd next year... I mean that'd probably be a premium at that. 15 to 8 in 2016 cost a 3rd and future 2nd with a 6th kicked back. 9 to 4 in 2014 cost a future 1st and future 4th. So, it's going to be between those somewhere. I really don't think you'll get a future 1st unless you aren't getting much this year. |
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Philly cutting their CB yesterday might put a crimp in this scenario.
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The Broncos say they want to keep Leary at LG, but he played well at RG last year. I'm personally not a huge fan of taking a guard at 5. Elway loves pass rushers and corners. Shaq Barrett will be a UFA next year, Ray is about to get slapped with a 5th-year option, and Von is almost 30. I could definitely see them drafting Chubb at 5. Quote:
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8 corners going in the first 40 picks? Man, that sound like a real stretch.
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I listed 7 and no, it isn't a stretch. 6 went in the top 33 last year, with 3 more going before pick 54 (43, 46, and 53). 6 went by pick 38 in 2016, with the 7th going at pick 54. 7 went in the top 50 in 2015. The likelihood of one of the top 7 CBs dropping to 54 is unlikely as defenses continue to shift more and more to sub-packages and defending the pass first.
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