QB Impressions - Page 52

Direckshun · 01-03-2017, 12:25 AM

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

DRM08 · 01-18-2018, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

“Why would teams covet Josh Allen in the top-10 when only a handful of teams liked Patrick Mahomes as a first rounder last year?”

I’ve asked that to 10-15 people this week. Not one has given me a good answer.

Mahomes was better as a prospect in almost every way.
— Eric Galko (@OptimumScouting) January 18, 2018

There is a reeruned stigma attached to Texas Tech’s offense. Jared Goff played in the same offense at California and went #1. I think anyone who drafts Allen will have a ton of work to do with him. He is more of a project than Mahomes.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-18-2018, 12:56 PM

Browns should draft Josh Allen No. 1, says one NFL exec, and Mel Kiper Jr. agrees

Spoiler!

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...osh_allen.html

Quesadilla Joe · 01-18-2018, 01:19 PM

Josh Rosen 3 word evaluation
Smooth
Touch
Stationary
— Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) January 18, 2018

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-18-2018, 01:53 PM

Josh Allen is not going to be a good NFL QB. I can't believe anyone would be pounding the table for that guy before round 3-4.

pugsnotdrugs19 · 01-18-2018, 01:59 PM

If Dorsey does want Allen that damn badly, he has to trade for Alex and allow Allen to sit behind him for 2 years minimum IMHO. That's the only chance in hell that guy maybe pans out.

BryanBusby · 01-18-2018, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Josh Allen is not going to be a good NFL QB. I can't believe anyone would be pounding the table for that guy before round 3-4.

Teams are going to tilt hard out of dire need.

DRM08 · 01-18-2018, 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Josh Allen is not going to be a good NFL QB. I can't believe anyone would be pounding the table for that guy before round 3-4.

The Big Ben comparison looks questionable to me based on their college accuracy.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-18-2018, 03:09 PM

Kiper ain't taking none of your guff about Allen

Mel Kiper on Josh Allen: "You have to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion."
— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) January 18, 2018

Quesadilla Joe · 01-18-2018, 03:21 PM

Kiper not concerned with Allen's completion percentage: "You've got to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion. ... You have to watch the tape, look at every throw. They'll find that completion percentage was a little misleading."
— Nick Kosmider (@NickKosmider) January 18, 2018

RunKC · 01-18-2018, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Kiper ain't taking none of your guff about Allen

Mel Kiper on Josh Allen: "You have to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion."
— Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) January 18, 2018

So you’re pimping Baker Mayfield bc of his stats and now you’re rushing to defend Josh Allen bc we should look past the stats.

Quesadilla Joe · 01-18-2018, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

So you’re pimping Baker Mayfield bc of his stats and now you’re rushing to defend Josh Allen bc we should look past the stats.

You shouldn't completely dismiss Allen just because his completion % is 4 points lower than you'd like it to be. He's not throwing to wide open guys all the time like Mayfield and Mahomes.

DRM08 · 01-18-2018, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

Kiper not concerned with Allen's completion percentage: "You've got to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion. ... You have to watch the tape, look at every throw. They'll find that completion percentage was a little misleading."
— Nick Kosmider (@NickKosmider) January 18, 2018

I have watched the tape and he struggles on basic screen passes.

RunKC · 01-18-2018, 04:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

You shouldn't completely dismiss Allen just because his completion % is 4 points lower than you'd like it to be. He's not throwing to wide open guys all the time like Mayfield and Mahomes.

So you want us to make exceptions for Allen but not for Mahomes having a losing college record because his defense was the worst in CFB.

staylor26 · 01-18-2018, 06:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

So you want us to make exceptions for Allen but not for Mahomes having a losing college record because his defense was the worst in CFB.

KnowMo has been getting killed even worse than usual lately

**RealSNR** · 01-18-2018, 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quesadilla Joe

You shouldn't completely dismiss Allen just because his completion % is 4 points lower than you'd like it to be. He's not throwing to wide open guys all the time like Mayfield and Mahomes.

Yeah. Wide open guys. Mahomes clearly can't throw to guys unless they're wide open.

lol man pic.twitter.com/kYPCwlEipK
— charles mcdonald (@FourVerts) January 10, 2018

01-03-2017, 12:25 AM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2433447	QB Impressions First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight. DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame 6'4", 230 lbs 26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence. Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina 6'3", 220 lbs 30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.
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01-18-2018, 12:56 PM	#767
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Browns should draft Josh Allen No. 1, says one NFL exec, and Mel Kiper Jr. agrees Spoiler! The Browns should draft Wyoming quarterback No. 1 overall, a high-level NFL personnel executive told cleveland.com, and ESPN's Mel Kiper Jr. feels the same, according to his first mock draft released on Thursday. The NFL exec, who told cleveland.com at the Senior Bowl in January of 2016 that the Browns would be set for the next 15 years if they drafted Carson Wentz, said "Allen is the best and it's not even close.'' He ranks him ahead of USC's Sam Darnold, whom most experts believe the Browns will draft at No. 1; and UCLA's Josh Rosen, whom many have the Giants taking at No. 2. "I believe (John) Dorsey will block out the noise and take the best guy (in Allen),'' said the exec. "And the Browns will be good very soon.'' He also said "the best comp for Allen (6-5, 233) is Big Ben (Roethlisberger) when he came out of college.'' He added that he never saw Darnold "as a No. 1.'' Kiper surprised a lot of folks by going with Allen to the Browns at No. 1 overall in his Mock 1.0 on Thursday -- and fellow ESPN expert Todd McShay didn't fight him on it. "When you look at who finished the strongest of the top three quarterbacks, he did,'' said Kiper. "You can say, 'Well, he had the shoulder injury.' He did. But he came back from the shoulder against Central Michigan and he lit it up. Made NFL throws, showed tremendous competitiveness. Remember, beginning of the year, they were missing key starters at running back, wide receiver, tight end and center. That's why he had some struggles against Iowa starting out the season.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/inde...osh_allen.html
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01-18-2018, 01:19 PM	#768
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Josh Rosen 3 word evaluation Smooth Touch Stationary — Daniel Jeremiah (@MoveTheSticks) January 18, 2018
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01-18-2018, 01:53 PM	#769
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $7059447	Josh Allen is not going to be a good NFL QB. I can't believe anyone would be pounding the table for that guy before round 3-4.
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01-18-2018, 01:59 PM	#770
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $7059447	If Dorsey does want Allen that damn badly, he has to trade for Alex and allow Allen to sit behind him for 2 years minimum IMHO. That's the only chance in hell that guy maybe pans out.
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01-18-2018, 03:09 PM	#773
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Kiper ain't taking none of your guff about Allen Mel Kiper on Josh Allen: "You have to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion." — Nicki Jhabvala (@NickiJhabvala) January 18, 2018
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01-18-2018, 03:21 PM	#774
Quesadilla Joe Abolish The Salary Cap! Join Date: Mar 2008 Casino cash: $3408675	Kiper not concerned with Allen's completion percentage: "You've got to look beyond the stats. Stats are for losers, in my opinion. ... You have to watch the tape, look at every throw. They'll find that completion percentage was a little misleading." — Nick Kosmider (@NickKosmider) January 18, 2018
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