Chiefs Cleveland Browns and Alex Smith? A closer look -- Terry Pluto - Page 3

oaklandhater · 01-11-2018, 03:37 PM

http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index...x_smith_a.html

CLEVELAND, Ohio -- As if the Cleveland Browns needed another reason to go after Alex Smith, consider this from Profootballfocus:

"One of the surprises of the season, Smith became the league's most efficient deep thrower, finishing first in adjusted completion percentage and yards while tying for first with 12 touchdowns.

"After generally ranking near the bottom in deep passing attempts in years past, a more aggressive approach had Smith ranked 11th with 12.3 percent of his attempts going deep this season. All told, it helped to pay off as he posted a career-high PFF grade."

I've always considered Smith a "game manager" style quarterback who also has the ability to run for first downs.

At best, I thought his arm strength was average.

Maybe it's average -- but he's finding ways to get the ball downfield to open receivers.

Of course, the Browns would have to secure some better receivers -- another job for new general manager John Dorsey.

It's common knowledge Dorsey likes the 33-year-old Smith. Trading for the veteran quarterback was one of his first moves after taking over the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013.

The Chiefs season ended Saturday after they blew a 21-3 lead to the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Wild Card game. The Titans came back to win, 22-21.

Had the Chiefs advanced deep into the playoffs, they probably would have been more likely to keep Smith.

Instead, they might turn to Patrick Mahomes. He was picked No. 10 in the 2017 draft ... by Dorsey. That was a month before he was fired as general manager of the Chiefs.

The Chiefs have Smith under contract for 2018 for $17 million. Kansas City also has some salary cap problems, another reason Smith could be traded.

Given the Browns have more than $100 million of salary cap room, that's no barrier for them.

The question would be what type of draft picks the Chiefs would want in return.

And Browns fans know, their favorite team has oodles of picks -- including three in the second round of 2018.

WHY SMITH?

Some things to consider about Smith:

1. He is the anti-DeShone Kizer. In the last three years covering 46 games, he has thrown 20 interceptions. Kizer threw 21 interceptions in 15 games this season.

2. Smith has lost six fumbles in the last four years. Kizer lost six fumbles in 15 games this season.

3. Smith has a 50-26 record in five years with the Chiefs. For his career, he is 88-62-1. Is he great? No. Can he win a lot of regular season games? Absolutely!

4. Besides the money, why would the Chiefs deal Smith? He's had problems in the playoffs. He is 1-4 in the postseason. He's not played that poorly: 65 percent completions, nine TDs compared to two interceptions in five games. But the

could not make a real Super Bowl run.

5. Smith has become a victim of rising expectations in Kansas City. The Chiefs were 2-14 the season before he arrived. He helped turn them into a playoff team. But the goal is the Super Bowl, and January has been a cruel month for the Chiefs because of the playoffs.

6. Smith is very durable. He has missed only four games in five years with the Chiefs.

7. Smith would give the Browns an experienced, smart quarterback who is coming off the best season of his 12-year career. The Browns have not had a player like him since they returned in 1999.

8. Turnovers destroyed the Browns in several games last season. Adding Smith would cut them dramatically.

9. Several teams will be after Smith. Possible places for him include Denver, Arizona, the New York Jets and perhaps Jacksonville or Buffalo.

10. The more you look at Smith and how he fits with the Browns, the more attractive he becomes in an orange helmet.

**Easy 6** · 01-11-2018, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

I just don't think that Dorsey will trade for Alex Smith.You have to think that Dorsey would feel a little bit slighted by the Kansas City organization. Dorsey would also have to know how Alex Smith is going to feel about someone trading for Smith as a placeholder.

Who knows what he is thinking, but if he felt Smith gave him the best chance to start winning asap, I doubt he'd be petty enough to not get the guy because of how it ended here

As for Smith, he has to know he only has 2-3 genuinely productive years left anyway... he would get an extension on his contract equal to the GDP of a small country, and would be a genuine hero to a win starved fanbase

If that isnt good enough for him, screw him

oaklandhater · 01-11-2018, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by New World Order

OH, what you've done here is very, very good.

jd1020 · 01-11-2018, 04:54 PM

I just don't see Alex Smith turning the Browns into a winning team without A LOT of other things going right in the offseason for them.

Alex came to the Chiefs to a roster that didn't match their 2012 record. We had the 5th best rushing attack in the league and while the defense did have a shit year they were near top 10 the previous years with Eric Berry coming back from his ACL and a lot of talented players that our still the core of the defense today.

The Browns have a god awful defense that has been 2nd and 3rd worst the last 2 seasons, with an average running game, and their #1 receiver is lining up in the backfield (perfect target for Alex).

Alex isn't turning that team into a winner without a ****ton of help. Sure they have the picks and money to give him that help but that's a lot to fix in one offseason.

Deberg_1990 · 01-11-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jd1020

I just don't see Alex Smith turning the Browns into a winning team without A LOT of other things going right in the offseason for them.

Alex came to the Chiefs to a roster that didn't match their 2012 record. We had the 5th best rushing attack in the league and while the defense did have a shit year they were near top 10 the previous years with Eric Berry coming back from his ACL and a lot of talented players that our still the core of the defense today.

The Browns have a god awful defense that has been 2nd and 3rd worst the last 2 seasons, with an average running game, and their #1 receiver is lining up in the backfield (perfect target for Alex).

Alex isn't turning that team into a winner without a ****ton of help. Sure they have the picks and money to give him that help but that's a lot to fix in one offseason.

I think he could.....But Hue Jackson sucks.

1 win in 2 years is godawful. Some of the worst Head coaches in NFL history have gotten more wins than that in 2 years.

They have some talent there, not loaded, but more than 1 win in 2 seasons worth of talent.

Hammock Parties · 01-11-2018, 04:57 PM

Browns fans don't want him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comm...a_closer_look/

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Forget Smith, the Kirk Cousins train is full steam ahead

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He looked like a browns QB already during the second half of that last game

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This guy gets it. Biggest game of his life. A shot at redemption. Had already embarrassed the Patriots this year...

35 yards passing on an average Titans defense.

3 and out. Punt. Muff. Recover. 3 and out. Missed FG. Hello Browns?!

You don’t have a Tyreek Hill to catch the ball on a drag route and take it 50 yards to make A Smith look good!

RippedmyFlesh · 01-11-2018, 04:57 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

How much is Teddy making now? I kinda like the idea of Chase Daniel for the backup spot.

Would love that.

Hoover · 01-11-2018, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Browns fans don't want him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comm...a_closer_look/

Yeah signing a 29 year old Cousins means you are not drafting a qb with one of the first 4 picks in the draft.

Alex + top QB in draft > Cousins.

All. Day. Long.

The appeal of Smith is that you can win down and develop a QB for a year or two. Especially important if Hue Jackson does't stick around.

oaklandhater · 01-11-2018, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Browns fans don't want him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comm...a_closer_look/

Cousins is the best QB in the free agency No way in hell he is going to the Browns not when he could be in Den/AZ.

**Easy 6** · 01-11-2018, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

Browns fans don't want him.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Browns/comm...a_closer_look/

Beggars wanna be choosers

Watch that town light up with joy at 8-8, and a new #1 hotshot on the bench waiting to take over

Sassy Squatch · 01-11-2018, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Cousins is the best QB in the free agency No way in hell he is going to the Browns not when he could be in Den/AZ.

$$$

hitchief · 01-11-2018, 05:21 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Cousins is the best QB in the free agency No way in hell he is going to the Browns not when he could be in Den/AZ.

Would not pay him a dime more than 20 mil, period. He has shown no ability to overcome anything and take his team to the top just like most say Smith hasn't. Younger but no better and would kill a team's salary cap and limit the rest of the roster.

sedated · 01-11-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

The difference between Browns fan's and Chiefs fans is astounding.

A ton of fans were pissed when the chiefs traded for Alex and got another retread.

Browns fans just want to get a few wins under their belt anyway they can.

I was curious what Browns fans really thought, and...they really DO want Smith. Although possible compensation seem to be around a single 2nd round pick.

http://thebrownsboard.com/topic/49020-alex-smith/

KC fans invading their board to warn them about Smith would seem very similar to PHI fans invading CP to warn us about Andy's flaws.

There are also hints of being pretty optimistic about Dorsey.

Sassy Squatch · 01-11-2018, 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by hitchief

Would not pay him a dime more than 20 mil, period. He has shown no ability to overcome anything and take his team to the top just like most say Smith hasn't. Younger but no better and would kill a team's salary cap and limit the rest of the roster.

He's going to receive the biggest contract in history. Someone will break it next year but he'll be the guy for a while.

Spott · 01-11-2018, 05:27 PM

No QB will ever succeed in Cleveland, so Smith might as well go there.

**wazu** · 01-11-2018, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by sedated

I was curious what Browns fans really thought, and...they really DO want Smith. Although possible compensation seem to be around a single 2nd round pick.

http://thebrownsboard.com/topic/49020-alex-smith/

KC fans invading their board to warn them about Smith would seem very similar to PHI fans invading CP to warn us about Andy's flaws.

There are also hints of being pretty optimistic about Dorsey.

Any KC fan who does that will be found guilty of high treason and banished from the Kingdom.

01-11-2018, 03:37 PM
oaklandhater future chiefs fans Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: oakland california Casino cash: $5908993	Cleveland Browns and Alex Smith? A closer look -- Terry Pluto http://www.cleveland.com/pluto/index...x_smith_a.html CLEVELAND, Ohio -- As if the Cleveland Browns needed another reason to go after Alex Smith, consider this from Profootballfocus: "One of the surprises of the season, Smith became the league's most efficient deep thrower, finishing first in adjusted completion percentage and yards while tying for first with 12 touchdowns. "After generally ranking near the bottom in deep passing attempts in years past, a more aggressive approach had Smith ranked 11th with 12.3 percent of his attempts going deep this season. All told, it helped to pay off as he posted a career-high PFF grade." I've always considered Smith a "game manager" style quarterback who also has the ability to run for first downs. At best, I thought his arm strength was average. Maybe it's average -- but he's finding ways to get the ball downfield to open receivers. Of course, the Browns would have to secure some better receivers -- another job for new general manager John Dorsey. It's common knowledge Dorsey likes the 33-year-old Smith. Trading for the veteran quarterback was one of his first moves after taking over the Kansas City Chiefs in 2013. The Chiefs season ended Saturday after they blew a 21-3 lead to the Tennessee Titans in the AFC Wild Card game. The Titans came back to win, 22-21. Had the Chiefs advanced deep into the playoffs, they probably would have been more likely to keep Smith. Instead, they might turn to Patrick Mahomes. He was picked No. 10 in the 2017 draft ... by Dorsey. That was a month before he was fired as general manager of the Chiefs. The Chiefs have Smith under contract for 2018 for $17 million. Kansas City also has some salary cap problems, another reason Smith could be traded. Given the Browns have more than $100 million of salary cap room, that's no barrier for them. The question would be what type of draft picks the Chiefs would want in return. And Browns fans know, their favorite team has oodles of picks -- including three in the second round of 2018. WHY SMITH? Some things to consider about Smith: 1. He is the anti-DeShone Kizer. In the last three years covering 46 games, he has thrown 20 interceptions. Kizer threw 21 interceptions in 15 games this season. 2. Smith has lost six fumbles in the last four years. Kizer lost six fumbles in 15 games this season. 3. Smith has a 50-26 record in five years with the Chiefs. For his career, he is 88-62-1. Is he great? No. Can he win a lot of regular season games? Absolutely! 4. Besides the money, why would the Chiefs deal Smith? He's had problems in the playoffs. He is 1-4 in the postseason. He's not played that poorly: 65 percent completions, nine TDs compared to two interceptions in five games. But the could not make a real Super Bowl run. 5. Smith has become a victim of rising expectations in Kansas City. The Chiefs were 2-14 the season before he arrived. He helped turn them into a playoff team. But the goal is the Super Bowl, and January has been a cruel month for the Chiefs because of the playoffs. 6. Smith is very durable. He has missed only four games in five years with the Chiefs. 7. Smith would give the Browns an experienced, smart quarterback who is coming off the best season of his 12-year career. The Browns have not had a player like him since they returned in 1999. 8. Turnovers destroyed the Browns in several games last season. Adding Smith would cut them dramatically. 9. Several teams will be after Smith. Possible places for him include Denver, Arizona, the New York Jets and perhaps Jacksonville or Buffalo. 10. The more you look at Smith and how he fits with the Browns, the more attractive he becomes in an orange helmet.
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jd1020 In Search of a Life Join Date: Nov 2010 Casino cash: $7042645	I just don't see Alex Smith turning the Browns into a winning team without A LOT of other things going right in the offseason for them. Alex came to the Chiefs to a roster that didn't match their 2012 record. We had the 5th best rushing attack in the league and while the defense did have a shit year they were near top 10 the previous years with Eric Berry coming back from his ACL and a lot of talented players that our still the core of the defense today. The Browns have a god awful defense that has been 2nd and 3rd worst the last 2 seasons, with an average running game, and their #1 receiver is lining up in the backfield (perfect target for Alex). Alex isn't turning that team into a winner without a ****ton of help. Sure they have the picks and money to give him that help but that's a lot to fix in one offseason.
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