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Old 12-07-2017, 08:10 PM  
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:22 PM   #166
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I gather that you just don't think Dorsey is a good drafter?
I'd argue he's done better after the 5th round than any GM in the league over the last 4 years.

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Do you also think that Veach was the guy who was really making all the picks?
I don't know what I don't know.

Veach hasn't drafted, hasn't had an offseason, hasn't had a preseason. I can't judge him.

I can judge a man who's had 3 full offseason/FA periods/trade deadlines to work his magic.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:22 PM   #167
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Just remember,

Getting rid of alex is not going to be easy unless you call a tow truck and have it hauled off as scrap.

That said do you not think that Dorsey will play hardball when it comes to making a deal for Alex11?



Veatch needs to be prepared to be "Bonused" by Dorsey on a Smith trade, plain and simple. The Chiefs are going to be the "Gurglers" on this deal if it happens.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:23 PM   #168
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I gather that you just don't think Dorsey is a good drafter? Do you also think that Veach was the guy who was really making all the picks?
its pretty clear that Veach was extremely important if not THE guy behind the picks
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its pretty clear that Veach was extremely important if not THE guy behind the picks
It's possible - not probable...
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:32 PM   #171
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its pretty clear that Veach was extremely important if not THE guy behind the picks
Dorsey was obviously THE guy behind the picks in GB which is why he got hired here.

It doesn't mean much. Being a GM is a different type of job.
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Dorsey was obviously THE guy behind the picks in GB which is why he got hired here.

It doesn't mean much. Being a GM is a different type of job.
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In 2000, Dorsey returned to the Packers, taking over again as Director of College Scouting. He remained in that position through 2011, and winning a Super Bowl ring. In 2012, he was named Director of Football Operations.[4] He is credited with making the Packers one of the best drafting teams in the NFL, helping choose star players like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and Greg Jennings.[5]

He is well respected in GB and throughout the league for a reason Dane. You are entitled to your opinion of course but he's good IMO.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:37 PM   #174
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Dorsey had 38 draft picks while in Kansas City. Out of those 38, he drafted 3 Pro Bowlers in Kelce, Peters and Hill.

16 of those players started, with varying success rates:

2017 Kareem Hunt
2016 Chris Jones
2016 Eric Murray (Starter due to injury)
2016 DeMarcus Robinson (Starter due to injury)
2016 Parker Ehinger (IR)
2016 Tyreek Hill
2015 Marcus Peters
2015 Mitch Morse (always injured)
2015 Chris Conley (IR)
2015 Steven Nelson
2015 Rakeem Nunez-Roches
2014 Dee Ford (IR)
2014 Zach Fulton (Starter due to injury)
2014 LTD
2013 Eric Fisher
2013 Travis Kelce

I'm sorry, that's just an unimpressive list
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This thread is amusing me, pretty typical though someone gets fired so obviously anything wrong with the team is his fault and he gets no credit for anything good.
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This thread is amusing me, pretty typical though someone gets fired so obviously anything wrong with the team is his fault and he gets no credit for anything good.
You don't pay attention...
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In 2000, Dorsey returned to the Packers, taking over again as Director of College Scouting. He remained in that position through 2011, and winning a Super Bowl ring. In 2012, he was named Director of Football Operations.[4] He is credited with making the Packers one of the best drafting teams in the NFL, helping choose star players like Aaron Rodgers, Clay Matthews and Greg Jennings.[5]
That's horseshit Wikipedia nonsense.

Ted Thompson is the GM and makes all of the final personnel decisions.
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You don't pay attention...
The vast majority of this thread is about how John Dorsey sucks, with a few nice posts sprinkled in.
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This thread is amusing me, pretty typical though someone gets fired so obviously anything wrong with the team is his fault and he gets no credit for anything good.
Dorsey made so many **** ups, especially with contracts and free agency that this team has been in Salary Cap Hell for two years and the result is currently a 4 game losing streak and a 1-6 record in the past 7 games.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Had Brett Veach not traded for Ragland and KPL, this defense would be even further in the shitter.
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The vast majority of this thread is about how John Dorsey sucks, with a few nice posts sprinkled in.
Five drafts, one playoff win.

Fired.
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