QB Impressions

[Direckshun]

First glances at several QBs we're going to give a shit about over the next four months. Feel free to set me straight.

DeShone Kizer, Notre Dame
6'4", 230 lbs
26-9 TD-INT, 59%, 2925 passing yards

I get a Cutlerian vibe from this guy. Seems to be built like a franchise QB. Powerful arm, some beautiful passes, perfect bodytype. But he is lacking an "it" factor, is he not? He's not a world-beating, overcome-the-odds, particularly spiriting QB. Looks like he could have an okay career in the NFL in which he wins nothing of consequence.

Mitch Trubisky, North Carolina
6'3", 220 lbs
30-6 TD-INT, 69%, 3748 passing yards

Well if there was one Andy Reid QB in this entire draft, it's Trubisky, isn't it? Super accurate, doesn't take too many risks with the ball, is very mentally tough and very athletic. He's a slam dunk for the Chiefs to trade up for, if he lasts to the 20s, but in a QB-starved NFL with at least 6 new head coaches looking for their QB, there's no chance he lasts to us.

[KChiefs1]

Jets already talking Rosen:

Potential Jets QB Josh Rosen leads UCLA to stunning comeback win - NY Daily News

If the Jets were originally planning to “Suck For Sam,” they may need to take a closer look at “The Rosen One.”

Potential Jets savior Josh Rosen put on a show Sunday night, throwing for four fourth-quarter touchdown passes to help UCLA overcome a 34-point second-half deficit to stun visiting Texas A&M, 45-44, at the Rose Bowl.

The Jets were one of eight teams that sent representatives to scout Rosen, according to Pete Thamel.

After a shaky start that saw UCLA fall behind 38-10 at the half, Rosen finished the game 35-of-58 passing for 491 yards and the four touchdowns.

UCLA QB Josh Rosen gives Jets fans a look into their future

Josh Rosen reacts after leading UCLA to a comeback win over Texas A&M.
(Danny Moloshok/AP)
Including USC’s Sam Darnold and Wyoming’s Josh Allen, Rosen is one of three quarterbacks whom the Jets could potentially consider drafting if they 'earn' the No. 1 overall pick.

UCLA scored on five straight possessions after trailing 44-10 with 4:08 to play in the third quarter.

Rosen threw touchdown passes of 9 and 42 yards to Darren Andrews before finding Theo Howard for a 16-yard score on a broken play with 3:08 remaining.

Josh Rosen threw four fouth quarter touchdown passes to lead UCLA to a stunning comeack win.
(Sean M. Haffey/Getty Images)
UCLA got the ball back with 2:39 to go and drove 51 yards in seven plays, including an 11-yard throw and catch to tight end Caleb Wilson. Rosen capped the remarkable comeback with a fade to the far corner of the end zone after faking a spike to freeze Texas A&M's defense. JJ Molson kicked the winning extra point.

UCLA QB Josh Rosen says college and football ‘don’t go together’

Despite missing the final six games last season due to a shoulder injury, Rosen entered the 2017 season as a Heisman contender and potential No.1 pick.

Rosen was a four-star recruit and the No. 2 pocket passer quarterback in ESPN's Class of 2015 rankings coming out of high school.

Barring an unforseen leap from second-year quarterback Christian Hackenberg, it's widely expected the Jets will select a quarterback in the first round of the 2018 draft.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Wyoming’s Josh Allen failed to live up to hype against Iowa

Spoiler!

By: Eric Galko

The first weekend of college football was not kind to many of the top quarterbacks around the country outside of Louisville’s Lamar Jackson. Wyoming’s Josh Allen was no exception, and maybe had the most frustrating performance of all.

Allen, entering the year with the most hype of any non-Power 5 conference quarterback since Ben Roethlisberger in 2003, boasts wowing arm talent and flashes on film that invoke words like “rare”, “special” and the always-coveted “elite.” But it’s time to temper the expectations for the Wyoming junior.

Allen, who certainly offers a high-end NFL skill set, struggled mightily against Iowa on Saturday. He led his offense to just one scoring drive in a 24-3 loss. Allen won’t be pleased with his technique, timing or turnovers in his debut game of the 2017 season either: He completed 23 of 40 passes for 174 yards and two interceptions.

Wyoming’s game plan against Iowa — likely determined in large part due to the departed players Wyoming lost this offseason to graduation and the NFL — was to restrict the passing game to horizontally stretching quick passes, especially early in the game. Those quick passes limited the vertical passing Allen has become known for, and ultimately put added pressure on him to succeed on third downs.

Allen was sacked three times on third-down attempts, finished just 4 for 7 on such plays and only converted a first down on four occasions, one of which was a run. That gives roughly a 36 percent first-down conversation rate. Last season, Allen finished with a 43 percent conversion rate, among the worst of any future NFL quarterback in the country a season ago. So his struggles on third down are nothing new.

More worrisome was his ineffectiveness in timing, anticipation, and decision-making on the perimeter. Allen, who has a loose cannon of an arm, knows he can make throws other quarterbacks can’t. But he far too often attempts throws no quarterback should attempt.

On the play below, Allen rushes to the right side rollout, and immediately has an idea where he wants to go on the perimeter. He rushes his footwork because he knows the window is closing, relies almost entirely on his arm, and forces a throw that likely put the game out of reach in the third quarter.



Allen will often get the “gunslinger” trait when his off-balanced, elite arm talent throws end up working out. But his decision-making and mental patience affect more of his game than just downfield throws. His mental process continually appears rushed, and the speed of the game against complete, quality defenses is repeatedly evident on film. This play is an inexcusable and lazy mistake.



Allen struggled against Iowa. His performance was inadequate, given the praise he has received this offseason.

But it wasn’t entirely bad, and it’s not entirely predictive of the type of quarterback he’ll be by season’s end.

It’s throws like the one below, despite the rushed footwork and timing on the throw, that NFL scouts immediately see translating to the NFL level. He throws it over 25 yards, off-balance, right on the money, with room for his receiver to cut upfield along the sideline after the first-down. It’s throws like this that get offensive coordinators excited. “If he can make plays like this WITHOUT my coaching, imagine what I can do when I have him for a full off-season.”



Allen may have already garnered an inaccurate comparison to Cam Newton, but as the season goes on, I’d imagine he begins to be compared to two former first-round picks with big arms, reckless playing style and ample excitement about their potential: Patrick Mahomes and Ben Roethlisberger.

Mahomes, like Allen, didn’t boast a great winning percentage in college, and became known for similar improvised vertical throws that wow in the moment and excite on film. But Mahomes wasn’t appreciated enough during his time at Texas Tech for his ability to process the field mentally and grow far beyond the limitations of the Texas Tech offense.

Ben Roethlisberger has become the coveted comparison for any quarterback coming out of the draft, and many have received that label, deservedly or not, including Newton, Andrew Luck, Christian Hackenberg and Carson Wentz. But Allen has more than just elite size and a remarkably talented arm in common with Roethlisberger.

Just like Allen, Ben Roethlisberger had to travel to Iowa to play the Hawkeyes in his first game of what would be his final collegiate season. He, like Allen, played terribly, finishing with four interceptions and five sacks. Roethlisberger went on to win every one of his games after that en route to a 13-1 season, eventually becoming a top-15 pick in the 2004 NFL Draft.

Allen wasn’t a top-five quarterback on film for Optimum Scouting to start the year, and has plenty to prove still to merit consideration there.

NFL decision-makers are highly “intrigued” by Allen, but he’s far behind a quarterback like Patrick Mahomes in terms of mental process, timing, and patience. He has all the talent you’d want if you were building a quarterback from scratch, but he’s a ways away from being a quarterback you’d trust in the NFL.

Allen has time to recover for his team and NFL Draft projection’s sake, and he’ll have plenty of Mountain West teams to beat up on this year and wow with his arm strength. But with many enthusiastically eating up all the hype that Allen has been praised with this off-season, he has left a bad taste in the mouths of fans and NFL scouts across the country.

http://www.sportingnews.com/ncaa-foo...h1oigq2dsqbbqs

[DJ's left nut]

4 months after the draft and one of the members of the vaunted 'next year's class' is already being compared unfavorably to one of the members of the 'worst QB class in recent memory...'

The draft guys got this class so, so wrong. And they've oversold the '18 class as a consequence.

[Quesadilla Joe]

Josh Rosen is the first Pac-12 QB to throw for 5+ pass TD, 300 pass yards, complete 85 pct of his passes in a game in the last 20 years. pic.twitter.com/TVWKyPDtu0

— ESPN Stats & Info (@ESPNStatsInfo) September 10, 2017

[DaneMcCloud]

Rosen has the biggest upside, by far, because he's basically coasted at UCLA and finally, he's committed.

Darnold's regressed a bit and I think Josh Allen is a 3rd rounder at best. His accuracy issues can't be overlooked.

Baker Mayfield looked really solid this weekend and while he's a little short (supposedly, 6'1), he may end up in the top half of the first round if that continues.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Rosen has the biggest upside, by far, because he's basically coasted at UCLA and finally, he's committed.

Darnold's regressed a bit and I think Josh Allen is a 3rd rounder at best. His accuracy issues can't be overlooked.

Baker Mayfield looked really solid this weekend and while he's a little short (supposedly, 6'1), he may end up in the top half of the first round if that continues.

Mayfield seems like a really good college qb a meh pro. Chase Daniel esque

[Quesadilla Joe]

From Breer...

1. The way Darnold ripped up Stanford’s defense was worth your attention, mainly because that’s a Cardinal team that traditionally has given USC fits. One evaluator who live-scouted him on Saturday at the Coliseum: “That’s the first pick in the draft. Troy Aikman, to a T. The whole package. Instincts in the pocket, how he moves, the arm, and he’s accurate as all get-out.”

4. Notre Dame’s continued struggles, and DeShone Kizer’s emergence in Cleveland, certainly seem to give new color to what transpired in South Bend last fall between the quarterback and coach Brian Kelly.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/13/20..._medium=social

[RunKC]

Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

[DaneMcCloud]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

I know nothing about him, other than what I saw last weekend and scouting reports.

Size is probably his biggest detriment. It always seems like these college QB's are at least an inch shorter, if not two, from their college measurements.

If he's 5'11 or 6'0, those 1st and 2nd round evaluations will drop to 5th & 6th.

[OldSchool]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Baker Mayfield is Johnny Football IMO. He's even a dumbass off the field like him too.

Dude tried to outrun Arkansas police.

Better passer, IMO, but just as much of an idiot off the field.

[Quesadilla Joe]

I would never draft Rosen just like I would never have drafted Hackenberg or Bortles. Rosen WILL fail in the league

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) September 16, 2017

I'll take Mason Rudolph over Rosen everyday of the week. Rudolph is loaded w/intangibles while Rosen has very few

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) September 16, 2017

With Josh Allen too many are falling by in love with his arm and athleticism and not watching how he plays

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) September 16, 2017

I don't have one. You have to let things play out. Never bought the preseason hype. Don't like Allen at all, nor do I like Rosen. Lack "it"

— Greg Gabriel (@greggabe) September 16, 2017

[RealSNR]

I'm doubting Allen as much as the next guy, but we've got a long season to play. Even Luck had bad games in college.

[O.city]

Rosen looks really good but seems a lot of offfield stuff.

[Sweet Daddy Hate]

Greg Gabriel seems like a penis-eater.

[BryanBusby]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I'm doubting Allen as much as the next guy, but we've got a long season to play. Even Luck had bad games in college.

Allen is more Paxton Lynch than Ben Roethlisburger.