Chiefs Dorsey gone? - Page 128

George Liquor · 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM

Per 610.

The ****?

ct · 06-30-2017, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Dante84

Okay, so if I'm Hunt, here's how I handle it.

There's not another opening right now, so this is an exclusive search where there is zero risk of losing a potential candidate to another organization. The Chiefs have full leverage in that regard.

So, I bring in all of the best and brightest minds in football right now to interview, regardless of my intention to hire them or not. Make it thorough as **** - all big swinging dicks. Aside from the basic aspects of the interview, where background is described and skills are discussed, I have them all complete a huge exercise of describing one thing:

"Lay out your plan for bringing Kansas City a Super Bowl, in detail, and as comprehensive as possible."

I record all of these discussions, and I keep all of the materials that they provide - reports, analysis, etc...

At that point, I make my selection, and hand them everyone else's analysis of what needs to happen. Cherry pick all of the great ideas from a pool of very good ideas.

solid!

JakeF · 06-30-2017, 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Uh, yeah, it does

Oh bullshit. Rookie salary slotting minimizes the draft salary cap impact. In fact, the Colts had a rookie salary allotment 800k higher than the Chiefs. 6m for the Chiefs and 6.8m for the Colts. No excuses.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-30-2017, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JakeF

Oh bullshit. Rookie salary slotting minimizes the draft salary cap impact. In fact, the Colts had a rookie salary allotment 800k higher than the Chiefs. 6m for the Chiefs and 6.8m for the Colts. No excuses.

Shut the **** up, Dummy.

Why do you think the Chiefs had to cut Jeremy Maclin?

BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH CAP SPACE TO SIGN ALL OF THEIR DRAFT CHOICES.

Hunt and Kpassagnon signed just a few days after Maclin was cut.

And Mahomes STILL isn't signed.

You're a ****ing dumb ass.

prhom · 06-30-2017, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Do you really expect John Dorsey and Clark Hunt to detail every event for you?

This is short sighted nonsense.

Instead of signing a journeyman QB in 2013 or giving the starting job to Chase Daniel, the Chiefs traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, who's proven to be a short term solution and has one playoff win in 4 attempts.

Meanwhile, teams like the Raiders, Titans and Buccaneers didn't go for a "Quick Fix" and are set up long term with their quarterbacks and franchises.

Now, the Chiefs are way behind the 8 Ball and are essentially starting over in 2018, as it's likely they'll start the 2nd year QB while losing players like Hali, DJ, Bailey, Colquitt and more. Not only is their cap in bad shape, even after they cut these players, they'll need to find adequate replacements.

Wut

It's pretty clear that you have no experience in upper management or with CEO's. If there's a slowly, festering toxic environment in the workplace, that will bring an organization of any kind down more quickly than you can imagine.

Clark felt that was already happening and put a stop to it.

Who is "we"?

No, I don't expect that.

I don't know what you are arguing against with the comment about the Raiders, Bucs and Titans. Your initial comment was that I wonder why other teams have quicker and better success than the Chiefs. I'm saying I agree that it's due to getting the QB right. We went for the best option to get winning seasons, but probably not SB wins. I think we are on the same side of the argument here. I'm not sure how what I said came across as saying the way the Chiefs went about solving the QB issue was the right way. I understand why they did it and it's been fun to win, but I am glad we've got Mahomes now and are trying to build the team the right way.

I was trying to make the point that teams that have improved faster than the Chiefs and have been more successful all had better QBs than Smith. The Broncos, Seahawks, and Cowboys were all teams that waited for the right QB to come along and got them. While they were waiting they built a strong roster outside of QB. Then with a good QB they were poised for quick success and except the Broncos, will maintain it. The teams you listed are the same way. Good examples.

I don't disagree that Clark should take action to fix a dysfunctional workplace. I just think he should have done it sooner. It's just hard to imagine that Clark would have gone from being okay with keeping Dorsey when he knew Ballard was going to leave, to firing him in the short amount of time that elapsed.

That was poorly phrased, my bad. I post from my phone and usually don't write the entire post in one sitting.

Hope you feel better and get over that cold. Not trying to pick a fight with you here.

prhom · 06-30-2017, 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Bad Guy

I don't know how you have the energy to fight this stupidity, Dane.

People still bitching about Alex Smith? Jesus.

How am I bitching about Smith?! I even said "I am not bitching about Smith"!

BlackOp · 06-30-2017, 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

This is short sighted nonsense.

Instead of signing a journeyman QB in 2013 or giving the starting job to Chase Daniel, the Chiefs traded two second round picks for Alex Smith, who's proven to be a short term solution and has one playoff win in 4 attempts.

Meanwhile, teams like the Raiders, Titans and Buccaneers didn't go for a "Quick Fix" and are set up long term with their quarterbacks and franchises.

Now, the Chiefs are way behind the 8 Ball and are essentially starting over in 2018, as it's likely they'll start the 2nd year QB while losing players like Hali, DJ, Bailey, Colquitt and more. Not only is their cap in bad shape, even after they cut these players, they'll need to find adequate replacements.

That's not an accurate assessment...as I've posted before, Carr has been the only QB KC could have had a reasonable shot at since signing Smith. Should they have moved up for Bortles? Dorsey waited until there was a QB they liked. The Chiefs arent losing anyone that isn't past their prime with the exception of possibly Bailey..and he missed almost all of last season. DJ looked slow last year before he was hurt. They are hardly starting over..their O-line is set, Houston and Berry are signed. Have Jones and Hill...Kelce.

You're making it sound like KC is going to have to cut their top players...

I think Dorsey planned on the mass exodus of their aging players next year...

Sweet Daddy Hate · 06-30-2017, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's not an accurate assessment...as I've posted before, Carr has been the only QB KC could have had a reasonable shot at since signing Smith. Should they have moved up for Bortles? Dorsey waited until there was a QB they liked. The Chiefs arent losing anyone that isn't past their prime with the exception of possibly Bailey..and he missed almost all of last season. DJ looked slow last year before he was hurt. They are hardly starting over..their O-line is set, Houston and Berry are signed. Have Jones and Hill...Kelce.

You're making it sound like KC is going to have to cut their top players...

I think Dorsey planned on the mass exodus of their aging players next year...

One would have to be blind as a bat to not see that.

ct · 07-01-2017, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by KCChiefsFan88

Clark is also not getting good PR advising on how to handle this situation apparently.

The best thing to do would have been to have a press conference, address what happened, rather than allowing the drip drip rumors/speculation to leak out.

The story could have been essentially put to bed as the NFL enters its slowest time of year and then the focus in late July would be on the hiring of the new GM and the start of training camp.

Now the focus of the press conference to announce the new GM (assuming there is a press conference and Clark is present/taking questions at it) will still be on the decision to fire Dorsey.

Not good PR management.

and i cant stop thinking, if it looks bad now, wait til dorsey comes clean and unloads on the chiefs organization. THAT is gonna be ugly!

i've really been round and round about this and it still ticks me off. ultimately, however, the guy that writes the checks wants his $ spent responsibly, and dorsey wasnt doing that.

if it really got noticeably worse in the management and organizational aspects after ballard left, clark had no choice but to make a change.

you can hire a scout type of guy who still needs seasoning, and pair him with a business oriented assistant to make it work well. i think i'm on board with veach and make sure he's got a right hand man with some management experience.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-01-2017, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's not an accurate assessment...as I've posted before, Carr has been the only QB KC could have had a reasonable shot at since signing Smith....

The Chiefs chose the quick and easy route. That's a fact. I'm not saying it was the wrong decision or the right decision but it's a fact, nonetheless.

And there's absolutely no doubt this team would be in a better position moving forward had they chosen Carr over Dee Ford (who I like as a player but obviously isn't a QB).

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-01-2017, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by BlackOp

That's not an accurate assessment...as I've posted before, Carr has been the only QB KC could have had a reasonable shot at since signing Smith.

2014: Carr, Bridgewater, Garappolo, McCarron
2015: Hundley, Petty
2016: Lynch, Brissett, Kessler, Prescott

Red Dawg · 07-01-2017, 09:46 AM

Can we not throw Wilson on the list? I think we can.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-01-2017, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Can we not throw Wilson on the list? I think we can.

Dorsey wasn't the GM in 2012

Red Dawg · 07-01-2017, 11:01 AM

Just saying another opportunity missed.

**DaneMcCloud** · 07-01-2017, 11:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Just saying another opportunity missed.

That doesn't apply to Dorsey, although he had his own "Wilson moment" by passing on Dak Prescott multiple times.

Had he taken Prescott instead of KeiVarie Russell, the Chiefs fortunes may have been very different last season.

**RealSNR** · 07-03-2017, 05:04 PM

What's the ****ing holdup? Clark's sick of handing out mega contracts for his GMs all of a sudden?

I wonder if Clark is actually leaning towards Scott Fitterer (I kind of prefer this option) and money is a bit of a tie-up. I don't think we'd be having negotiation problems like this if Clark were just going to promote from within.

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