Dorsey gone?

[George Liquor]

Per 610.

The ****?

[lewdog]

DaneMcCloud 140
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I wonder if only I look at post numbers in some of these big threads. Pretty interesting.

[Red Dawg]

So we are 13 mil over for 18. Will have 10 mil in dead money most likely.

Damn Dorsey was ugly with the money. That's 5 straight years of no damn near no money and we have to keep Peters.

That will be tough but at least it seems Smith will be gone. It's worth it.

[penbrook]

But behind the scenes, the Chiefs’ front office did not always run smoothly under Dorsey. Team chairman Clark Hunt’s decision to fire Dorsey was fueled, in part, by concerns about his internal communication and management styles, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation who spoke to The Star on condition of anonymity.

As one of the sources said while describing how Dorsey had removed two front-office executives without much explanation: “John does stuff and doesn’t tell people why.” Another source said Dorsey’s management style “could wear on people.”

Terez Paylor

[RunKC]

Woah some people didn't like John in the department.

But behind the scenes, the Chiefs’ front office did not always run smoothly under Dorsey. Team chairman Clark Hunt’s decision to fire Dorsey was fueled, in part, by concerns about his internal communication and management styles, according to multiple sources with knowledge of the situation who spoke to The Star on condition of anonymity.

As one of the sources said while describing how Dorsey had removed two front-office executives without much explanation: “John does stuff and doesn’t tell people why.” Another source said Dorsey’s management style “could wear on people.”

A message left with Dorsey seeking comment for this story was not immediately returned.

Dorsey’s firing was announced Thursday, the same day Reid received a contract extension. Both men had a year left on their contracts and report separately, but directly to Hunt. That structure will remain when a new GM is hired.

While sources have consistently maintained that Reid and Dorsey worked well together — “You never got the impression they were sparring,” one source told The Star — the two also had different approaches to their jobs.


[/QUOWhile Reid has a reputation for being structured and process-oriented, Dorsey was described by those who know both men as looser.

“He goes with the flow,” one source said of Dorsey.

That style didn’t always mesh in situations outside of Dorsey’s undeniable strengths, picking and evaluating players. The other areas Dorsey oversaw were contracts and salary cap management — and the Chiefs have been in cap trouble for a while — in addition to the general, day-to-day management of the team.

“He’s not a big disciplinarian or big on chain of command,” a source said, “so people did what they wanted.”

“It’s more about his management skills,” another source added.

For instance, the typically stable Chiefs also made waves this offseason when Dorsey released director of football administration Trip MacCracken and director of pro scouting Will Lewis. Each man had been with the team for at least four years, and not only were their dismissals surprising, there weren’t many answers to be found, even inside the organization.

“Those decisions were totally John’s,” a source said. “That’s the kind of stuff he does.”

Sources also critiqued Dorsey’s management style, noting that while he was often friendly and jovial, the same tongue-in-cheek manner he used to win over most people over eventually wore on others.

“It could rub people the wrong way at times,” a source said.

http://amp.kansascity.com/sports/nfl...158155634.html

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by srvy

So you think Reid told Chunt its either him or me over Mac and Berry? I dont buy this knowing he pushed for Dorse as GM to Clark.

Maybe, it could be that Reid and Hunt discussed it and reached the conclusion together. Maybe Hunt just wanted approval of his decision.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Vultures circling the wagon, look forward towards all the outstanding talent that is brought on board now that Dorsey's worthless ass is out of the way.

It's no different than assuming that Dorsey did nothing wrong here. We have to look at this from both sides.

Dorsey was amazing at some aspects of his job, and not so good at other things. As far as we know. We can't say for sure exactly why Clark and Andy thought this needed to happen, but they aren't stupid. They have at least some reasoning in mind, and a plan to back it up.

Like John Middlekauff said, when it comes to a head coach and his staff vs. a personnel guy--you keep the coach everytime (assuming he is good).

[NJChiefsFan]

Every piece of evidence that implies that this was building up over time only pisses me off even MORE that Ballard is gone. If stuff was bubbling with Clark, than he should have made a move before Ballard left. If something crazy happened or this was all post January stuff then maybe it's not on Clark.

In the end, Clark had 2 great personnel guys here and now he doesn't. Maybe there is more in the cupboard but who knows. Our depth is a lot less, that's for sure. We weren't going to have both Ballard and Dorsey this year, but would have been nice to keep one.

You can bring in people to help with contracts and the cap. All the "poor treatment of employees" crap is just that. Maybe he needed to work on that, but considering the talent he has brought in, how he fires Maclin or how poor he is at communicating info to other employees can't be the reason to fire him. There needs to be some patience with that stuff and IF there had already been a long string of patience with that stuff then don't let your second in charge go. The top to bottom audit should have happened pre-January. Clark knew Ballard was gonna be getting GM offers.

[JakeF]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

It's no different than assuming that Dorsey did nothing wrong here. We have to look at this from both sides.

Dorsey was amazing at some aspects of his job, and not so good at other things. As far as we know. We can't say for sure exactly why Clark and Andy thought this needed to happen, but they aren't stupid. They have at least some reasoning in mind, and a plan to back it up.

Like John Middlekauff said, when it comes to a head coach and his staff vs. a personnel guy--you keep the coach everytime (assuming he is good).

Always thought that the contracts handed out were on the high side. We always seem to pay towards the high side for trades him made as well. Doesn't change the fact that Dorsey had the best eye for talent of any GM we've had in a long time, maybe ever. People trying to talk like Dorsey was just average and it will be easy to replace him. Acting like it was really Reid that did it all. Bullshit.

It's a better than average chance that the team slowly turns to shit now that Dorsey is gone. At least we still have some of Dorsey's personnel dept in place so maybe they can keep it up. If we get another dumbass as GM we are ****ed though.

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by JakeF

Always thought that the contracts handed out were on the high side. We always seem to pay towards the high side for trades him made as well. Doesn't change the fact that Dorsey had the best eye for talent of any GM we've had in a long time, maybe ever. People trying to talk like Dorsey was just average and it will be easy to replace him. Acting like it was really Reid that did it all. Bullshit.

It's a better than average chance that the team slowly turns to shit now that Dorsey is gone. At least we still have some of Dorsey's personnel dept in place so maybe they can keep it up. If we get another dumbass as GM we are ****ed though.

There's a subtle difference there, though. We know that Dorsey is the man when it comes to contract negotiations and trades... but we don't know that he is directly responsible for all of our good/bad draft picks.

For all we know, it was Ballard who knew we needed to take Peters. Maybe it was Veach who banged the table for Chris Jones. Maybe it was a scout that wanted Keivarae Russell, or even Tyreek Hill.

Those are things we may never know.

[PAChiefsGuy]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

There's a subtle difference there, though. We know that Dorsey is the man when it comes to contract negotiations and trades... but we don't know that he is directly responsible for all of our good/bad draft picks.

For all we know, it was Ballard who knew we needed to take Peters. Maybe it was Veach who banged the table for Chris Jones. Maybe it was a scout that wanted Keivarae Russell, or even Tyreek Hill.

Those are things we may never know.

Yeah but the GM has final say in all those matters so Dorsey deserves most of the credit. He probably looks at the tape from all the scouts recommended players and decides for himself. He was a former scout.

Dorsey will definitely be missed IMO. He did a good job here.

[BlackHelicopters]

C[h]UNT did not like how his money was being spent. Simple.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by lewdog

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I wonder if only I look at post numbers in some of these big threads. Pretty interesting.

Huh. I didn't even know that was a thing to do but you're correct it is quite interdasting.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

John Dorsey left the #Chiefs in financial disarray. Was that why he was booted from KC? #ChiefsKingdom https://t.co/794CwcByLH

— Joshua Brisco (@jbbrisco) June 25, 2017

Some pretty surprising info in this pod, specifically from Benjamin Allbright (skip to around 31:00 for that interview). One thing that stood out was Allbright claimed that some people within the front office have been upset about the amount of credit Dorsey receives for good players we have acquired. Said that he had much less to do with personnel acquisition than people realized.

WOW, I hope thats really true. Dorsey has been getting all the credit for sure. If our talent evaluation is still in place and the scouting dept doesn't skip a beat we'll never miss Dorsey.

[Rasputin]

Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

[/B]

WOW, I hope thats really true. Dorsey has been getting all the credit for sure. If our talent evaluation is still in place and the scouting dept doesn't skip a beat we'll never miss Dorsey.

I totally agree with this if true. Still Dorsey has to get the credit for trading up to get Mahomes II if he works out then that's the player that mattered most to be given credit too. I do think it's the scouting department that is most critical in success of a franchise IF coached up right.

[Hog's Gone Fishin]

Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

I totally agree with this if true. Still Dorsey has to get the credit for trading up to get Mahomes II if he works out then that's the player that mattered most to be given credit too. I do think it's the scouting department that is most critical in success of a franchise IF coached up right.

Listening to that podcast Dorsey has the Chiefs in a horrible Cap situation through 2018. They HAD to draft a QBOTF this year because they will have to cut Hali and Alex Smith just to clear enough room. Chunt was dissatissfied with the way Dorsey handled the Houston and Berry contracts and then the Maclin cut was the straw that broke the camels back. Maclin was open to a renegotiated contract but was never approached by Dorsey.

But Reid really did want Mahomes and just told Dorsey to go get him.I don't think we will miss Dorsey.