Chiefs Dorsey gone? - Page 89

George Liquor · 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM

Per 610.

The ****?

Chiefs Pantalones · 06-23-2017, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by siberian khatru

KK also said that Dorsey was damaged goods because Hunt and Reid have disavowed him, and that other NFL teams might be reluctant to hire him.

Trent Green was on and basically said, in his nice way, that Kietzman was FOS.

Both 610 and 810 are so awful. 610's former athlete guests are Maas, Hughes, and the KSU guy that doesn't even watch football anymore, Lilja I think. So that's a guy that was doing coke at one point, a career special teamer and a guy that is just getting a check for nothing. They need to reboot or something. KC needs an upgrade in sports radio but with the market being like 32nd in the nation this is who you get.

ndws · 06-23-2017, 03:52 PM

Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.

Red Dawg · 06-23-2017, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ndws

Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer).

Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all.

He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.

**Meatloaf** · 06-23-2017, 04:07 PM

Now that I've digested this a bit, my next concern revolves around Dorsey's replacement. As we know, the Hunt family (and ergo the Chiefs) have been an ultra conservative group. Enter Dorsey who seemed to shoot from the hip a bit more than the"normal" Chiefs front office guy. So, is Dorsey's replacement going to be an organization friendly guy who seldom takes chances, or will it be someone a bit more free-thinking than the typical Chiefs GM. In my mind, someone going counter to the organizational personality is not all bad. Sadly, I fear we're gonna hire a former accountant as our next GM. Ugh.

**Baby Lee** · 06-23-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by prhom

If that is true, then I think Clark is overvaluing the business side of being a GM and undervaluing the talent recognition side. So what if Dorsey offends the players a little when negotiating contracts. If Clark had to intervene to get the sides talking then fine. Maybe that's what he needs to be prepared to do going forward for negotiating major star contracts? Clark can help Dorsey out in that department, but he's not going to be of much use finding the next Kelce, Peters, Hill or Jones. Now, none of us know who is truly responsible for advocating for those players. Maybe those people are still with the team and we will be fine?

It just makes seems like a juvenile reason to let someone go over personality and mgmt style when they are producing a high quality product on the field. Do people love the Pats because Belichik is a nice guy and people think highly of the franchise? No, it's because they win championships. They win championships because they have Brady and can find talent in the draft and in strategic cheap free agents. I thought we were well on our way to replicating that model if Mahomes pans out, but now I have no idea. We will find out is Dorsey or Ballard were the keys to our draft and fa hits or if that person/people are still around.

This!! If this scuttlebutt has any accuracy, anyone who takes an emotional Berry over Dorsey on this issue can eat my whole asshole the next time they complain that we can't compete with the Pats, or that the Pats' dominance is unfair.

ToxSocks · 06-23-2017, 04:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

He is very good at finding diamonds in the rough for a cheap price but that is not the biggest part of his job. Contracts and filling the holes with vets is the bigger part and at that he failed bad because we never have money to spend.

That's silly. Finding diamonds is what allows a team to not have to fill holes with vets and pay for over priced FA's.

Red Dawg · 06-23-2017, 04:13 PM

Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.

ToxSocks · 06-23-2017, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.

That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.

**srvy** · 06-23-2017, 04:20 PM

All these scenarios but none seem logical. This seems like it came on fast or no way they let Ballard walk if they knew the ax was soon to fall. You just dont let a guy like Dorsey go unless it was really really bad. Insubordination and loyalty could be the deal on this one and it may of boiled down to GB and other teams. Once he was caught the first time he surely was given a warning from CHunt. If he was caught a second time that is insubordination and being disloyal a cardinal sin to the Hunts.

Red Dawg · 06-23-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

That's exactly how you run out of money. Those holes MUST be filled with those diamonds that Dorsey finds.

We're against the cap because we have so many talented players. The goal is to draft star players and retain them. If you're going to draft an Eric Berry or a Marcus Peters then you better be prepared to pay them with the contract is due. Retaining a load of talent costs money and will put you against the cap. So you better hope you can fill the rest with cheap, ascending "diamonds".

Your recipe is the recipe for an average to below average roster.

What you're describing is basically what the Chargers attempted to do.

They have a few high priced guys and then went and bought a bunch of average players and did a piss ass job of drafting/signing cheap depth.

What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-23-2017, 04:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place.

Completely false.

Which linebackers were available this year that would have been upgrades?

The Chiefs weren't shelling out another $40 million dollar deal to a free agent guard when they extended LDT this year, extended Fisher last year and brought in Schwartz on a $30 million dollar deal in 2016 as well.

**DaneMcCloud** · 06-23-2017, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.

Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.

thegame214 · 06-23-2017, 04:24 PM

Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.

ToxSocks · 06-23-2017, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Tuckdaddy

What? Against the cap because we have so many talented players? I agree we have talented players but bad contract are why we are against the cap and teams like Denver who have many talented players are not.

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Denver has QB's on rookie deals. Remove Alex Smith's contract and the Chiefs have $28 million in space immediately.

Silly comparison.

And i would like to add that yes, we have premiere players on this roster. If your plan is to keep premiere players then you must pay up.

And yes, comparing it to something like Denver or Oakland is silly. Just wait until these teams have to pay for the contracts coming due.

Look no further than Seattle after Wilson got paid.

threebag · 06-23-2017, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by thegame214

Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.

Looks like the Walrus has seen his shadow, four more years of Alex Smith

06-22-2017, 02:12 PM
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06-23-2017, 03:52 PM	#1322
ndws Starter Join Date: Oct 2012 Casino cash: $10010931	Dorsey was a likable guy. Got to meet him a couple times. He took a picture with my son and later signed it for him. Down to earth guy, and just had that presence about him that he would be a good guy to work for (as long as you weren't a loafer). Too bad, I really thought he was doing a good job. Guess getting rid of my season tix was the right thing to do after all. __________________ Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote. -Benjamin Franklin
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06-23-2017, 04:07 PM	#1324
Meatloaf Supporter Join Date: Feb 2013 Casino cash: $2090359	Now that I've digested this a bit, my next concern revolves around Dorsey's replacement. As we know, the Hunt family (and ergo the Chiefs) have been an ultra conservative group. Enter Dorsey who seemed to shoot from the hip a bit more than the"normal" Chiefs front office guy. So, is Dorsey's replacement going to be an organization friendly guy who seldom takes chances, or will it be someone a bit more free-thinking than the typical Chiefs GM. In my mind, someone going counter to the organizational personality is not all bad. Sadly, I fear we're gonna hire a former accountant as our next GM. Ugh.
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06-23-2017, 04:13 PM	#1327
Red Dawg Going home eventually Join Date: Dec 2002 Casino cash: $1472858	Just saying you also need money. We could have fixed the OL faster and had better LBs if we had money. But we didn't so we bargain shopped all over the place. __________________ If you're not first you're last!
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06-23-2017, 04:20 PM	#1329
srvy Fight, build, win! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: KC Casino cash: $-1998750	All these scenarios but none seem logical. This seems like it came on fast or no way they let Ballard walk if they knew the ax was soon to fall. You just dont let a guy like Dorsey go unless it was really really bad. Insubordination and loyalty could be the deal on this one and it may of boiled down to GB and other teams. Once he was caught the first time he surely was given a warning from CHunt. If he was caught a second time that is insubordination and being disloyal a cardinal sin to the Hunts. __________________ "The victim stance is a powerful one. The victim is always morally right, neither responsible nor accountable, and forever entitled to sympathy."
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06-23-2017, 04:24 PM	#1333
thegame214 Veteran Join Date: Jun 2017 Casino cash: $9780412	Brett Veach is our new GM, but will operate same way as our "Offensive Coordinator" Nagy. Don't overthink this.
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