Chiefs Dorsey gone? - Page 78

George Liquor · 06-22-2017, 02:12 PM

Per 610.

The ****?

DJ's left nut · 06-23-2017, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by L.A. Chieffan

Well if it wasnt about Dorseys money it was about the cap money. Money is money. Im sure Clark was not thrilled with all the dead money on the table. The Mahomes trade made him extremely nervous and then the Maclin cut brought it all to a head. Like someone else said Im sure he was just waiting to wrap up Andy before he canned Dorsey. It cant be just a coincidence that both things happened on the same exact day.

If it wasn't about the money, or the Fox News theory, then what was it?

Sweet.

So we have Al Davis now only 40 years younger. That should work out well for all of us more than 20 years old or so. Looking forward to watching this guy tinker and bumble**** his way into irrelevance over the coming decades.

If he's meddling in actual football operations while ignoring results, he's welcome to fist himself. And if he's firing a GM because he doesn't like a cap situation, regardless of the record, then he's meddling in football operations.

staylor26 · 06-23-2017, 10:33 AM

My homer days are over for now fellas

booger · 06-23-2017, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

I think the GB ties with Dorsey are very likely here too.

Bob McGinn has been covering the team for decades, even before Favre was traded for. It's obvious that he has insider knowledge in GB.

I don't think the GB report was speculation. I honestly think there was truth to it and Dorsey was thinking about it.

That article never gets written without a very specific purpose behind it. Either 1) GB there is no ownership like most teams so without being pinpoint accurate just say it's a board of directors or whatever and say Mark Murphy I think his name is...the CEO wants Dorsey to replace Thompson when his contract runs out in 2018. They know if that story gets out that it's likely Dorsey doesn't re up in KC. Or 2) it's a negotiation tactic by Dorsey to get him the large contract he wants and realistically deserves. Maybe he screwed himself there rather than helped himself if it coming from his camp was the case. That article looked bad and definitely pissed Hunt off. Rightfully so. But what no one is talking about is that Dorsey left GB before and obviously regretted it because he only lasted a year in Seattle when Holmgren became HC and GM when he was allowed to leave GB because of a clause that let him leave with an opening for the GM/HC role and title. That's probably had to do with working Holmgren instead of Wolf but also living in GB is something he obviously loves. That article goes into detail about his ties and comfort with the area.

I hate losing him and just trying to make sense of it. But I think it's obvious the writing was on the wall ever since that article was printed. There was too much specifics like Dorsey being paid among the lower tier of GMs. That article would sting any owner and show lack of loyalty on some level. You would hope it's a business is business type deal and that works both ways. Either way it sucks to see happen

DJ's left nut · 06-23-2017, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

The only logical conclusion is the escape clause.

The escape clause isn't a logical conclusion.

John Dorsey didn't leave tens of millions of dollars on the table for a chance at a job he has maybe a 25% chance at.

There's nothing 'logical' about that theory at all unless it's also combined with Hunts refusal to attempt to buy it out. One of those cannot exist without the other.

Hammock Parties · 06-23-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

My homer days are over for now fellas

I give it three months before you're back having rebound sex with your game manager.

**Baby Lee** · 06-23-2017, 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

My homer days are over for now fellas

I'm burning my Clark Hunt jersey ASAP!!

**The Franchise** · 06-23-2017, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

My homer days are over for now fellas

Well we're about to find out if this team was built by Dorsey or by Reid. If we go back to drafting fatties in the 1st.....we'll have our answer.

ToxSocks · 06-23-2017, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And everyone cited Pioli's cap management without acknowleding a pretty widely accepted phenomenon in sports - "The Disease of More". I believe it was Riley that came up with it and it's as true now as it's ever been.

When the team sucks, the national spotlight isn't on you, you don't get the credit, you don't get the glory and you simply don't have the market (or the ego) that will compel you to chase every dime. It's basic human nature. But when teams are winning, everybody on that squad is positive they're a big part of it and when the time comes to cash in, those demands are always higher.

Every single good team ever has had to deal with it. The cost of their players increases disproportionately with their actual success. And if you don't have someone like Brady just donating money to Bob Kraft so that he can paid after he retires, it's just the nature of the beast in a hard cap league.

Scott Pioli was a brilliant cap manager because his teams...sucked. And if Hunt prefers his 'stars and scrubs' model over paying the depth players like Dorsey prefers, then Clark is still a ****ing reerun because it is demonstrably true that Dorsey's method is more successful with the exception of the 'get a HoF quarterback at all costs' rule. And Dorsey just MADE that gambit in a baller ass move to get Mahomes.

And he got ****ing fired.

Jesus **** this is stupid. Just catastrophically reeruned.

+1

Titty Meat · 06-23-2017, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by staylor26

My homer days are over for now fellas

Still going to be a very good team for years to come.

**ptlyon** · 06-23-2017, 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I give it three months before you're back having rebound sex with your game manager.

staylor26 · 06-23-2017, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Hammock Parties

I give it three months before you're back having rebound sex with your game manager.

Huge misconception

I've never been a big Alex supporter. I just thought he was good enough to win a SB with all the talent we have...till last year

staylor26 · 06-23-2017, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMeatballBillay

Still going to be a very good team for years to come.

I have no doubt we will, but in terms of personnel decisions and all that, I imagine I will be much more critical going forward.

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Originally Posted by Pestilence

Well we're about to find out if this team was built by Dorsey or by Reid. If we go back to drafting fatties in the 1st.....we'll have our answer.

I don't think our draft philosophy will do a 180, but I'm confident that it was Dorsey's war room on draft day.

Titty Meat · 06-23-2017, 10:48 AM

Regardless moving forward the new guy will make mistakes as did Dorsey. One thing I liked about Dorsey is he was able to walk away from his mistakes. That is something IMO that plagued this franchise for years. Obviously Cassel, Jackson, etc for Pioli. During the Vermiel years it was guys like McCleon.

RunKC · 06-23-2017, 10:49 AM

As some know, I used to work for a company that had a sponship with the Chiefs. Owner has been a STH for decades and has been at events with Clark many times, including the one where I briefly met Scooter Poole.

I don't work there anymore but I know people that do and just text them to ask what the owner of the company is hearing through the grapevine.

Buckweath · 06-23-2017, 10:49 AM

I'll say it again. I'm devastated by the sacking of John Dorsey. He was IMO the very best thing this organization had.

Do you guys realize that we might have been the very best team at drafting overall for the last four years? And everyone knows drafting is absolutely key to building a championship team and perennial winner.

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Titty Meat Inmem 2.0 Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: My house Casino cash: $-982442	Regardless moving forward the new guy will make mistakes as did Dorsey. One thing I liked about Dorsey is he was able to walk away from his mistakes. That is something IMO that plagued this franchise for years. Obviously Cassel, Jackson, etc for Pioli. During the Vermiel years it was guys like McCleon.
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Buckweath Veteran Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Quebec, Canada Casino cash: $9994975	I'll say it again. I'm devastated by the sacking of John Dorsey. He was IMO the very best thing this organization had. Do you guys realize that we might have been the very best team at drafting overall for the last four years? And everyone knows drafting is absolutely key to building a championship team and perennial winner.
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