Dorsey gone?

[George Liquor]

Per 610.

The ****?

[mcaj22]

I have read rumors that the cap was a major factor that Dorseys balls to the wall style of churning the roster and spending doesnt mix well with how Clark likes to have space. Clark apparently likes to have flexibility with the cap, like how Pioli always had 20-30 million in space. Basically Clark has no problem paying the pro bowlers/elite guys at the top of the roster but he has an issue with the depth guys getting a piece of the pie too. The Jaye Howards, Sean Smiths, Fasanos, Dunta Robinsons of the world. Dorsey was quick on the trigger to hand out money to pretty much anyone if it would help this team for even a game, but he was also quick to take it away and move on to the next player with no regard, just kept backloading contracts and pushing money onto future years so he can round out the depth. I guess those mid tier contracts to the blue chip guys do eventually stack up, for every Ron Parker you hit on, you miss and have a cap casualty on 2 or 3 guys. The strategy works you just have to have an open checkbook.

Dorsey and Reid are friends, which is why Clark wanted to make sure he had Reid with pen to paper on an extension before he made this move. Completely lock Reid in, from what I understand Reid did know about it before hand, Clark just needed to make it official so Reid didnt have second thoughts.

Which I guess is why Clark wanted to get 1 more draft out of Dorsey and one more offseason, he was just waiting to lock Reid up. He did not want to lose Reid but he had every intention of getting out of cap hell.

I read this all on another site, doubt its true but from a cap standpoint makes sense? Clark chose coaching I guess over talent evaluation.

Dorsey has a great eye for talent, hes everything I thought Fat Scott was hyped up to be. Will probably be the best GM I will ever see for the Chiefs, next GM has big shoes to fill.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

I have read rumors that the cap was a major factor that Dorseys balls to the wall style of churning the roster and spending doesnt mix well with how Clark likes to have space. Clark apparently likes to have flexibility with the cap, like how Pioli always had 20-30 million in space. Basically Clark has no problem paying the pro bowlers/elite guys at the top of the roster but he has an issue with the depth guys getting a piece of the pie too. The Jaye Howards, Sean Smiths, Fasanos, Dunta Robinsons of the world. Dorsey was quick on the trigger to hand out money to pretty much anyone if it would help this team for even a game, but he was also quick to take it away and move on to the next player with no regard, just kept backloading contracts and pushing money onto future years so he can round out the depth. I guess those mid tier contracts to the blue chip guys do eventually stack up, for every Ron Parker you hit on, you miss and have a cap casualty on 2 or 3 guys. The strategy works you just have to have an open checkbook.

Dorsey and Reid are friends, which is why Clark wanted to make sure he had Reid with pen to paper on an extension before he made this move. Completely lock Reid in, from what I understand Reid did know about it before hand, Clark just needed to make it official so Reid didnt have second thoughts.

Which I guess is why Clark wanted to get 1 more draft out of Dorsey and one more offseason, he was just waiting to lock Reid up. He did not want to lose Reid but he had every intention of getting out of cap hell.

I read this all on another site, doubt its true but from a cap standpoint makes sense? Clark chose coaching I guess over talent evaluation.

Dorsey has a great eye for talent, hes everything I thought Fat Scott was hyped up to be. Will probably be the best GM I will ever see for the Chiefs, next GM has big shows to fill.

Shoes*

[BlackHelicopters]

Simple
Dorsey can't count. Simple as that. Time to move on.

[Marcellus]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Clark had no choice but to pay Pioli. Clark had to suck it up and spend money to be able to get this team out of the hell hole it was in.

The management that was here the last four years was as good of management that this team has ever had in it's entire history. It was also one of the best in the entire league and this team as it stands today is set up for long-term success the same way the Packers have been for a long long time.

I trust to Terez because he's always had great information about this team that's been truthful. If what he is reporting is true and Clark didn't want to pay to keep Dorsey, then fans should want Clark to step down a new ownership to take over.

You absolutely do not try to fix what is not broken and this is exactly what Clark is done. Losing Chris Ballard and John Dorsey in the same off-season is a tremendous Backstep to what has been One of the best managed teams.

this should come as a surprise to nobody. After all, Clark was the only person in his family that voted to keep that shithead Scott Pioli. If it wasn't for Clark siblings, we would've never fired that guy.

give me a ****ing break dude.

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

Shoes*

typing from my phone, my fat fingers dont cut it, apologies

[penbrook]

I'm tired of saying this is about money when it's not. Clark went out and got the best available gm at that time in Pioli and than he went out and got Reid, the best coach available at that time. Hell I mean Clark even stopped Andy from going to Arizona to come to KC. Clark is not cheap. He continues to go out and get the best available at the time. He is a great owner!!

[Buckweath]

Huge loss. Dorsey was the best thing this franchise had IMO.

[O.city]

Guy was a great drafter and did a good job building thru draft

[mcaj22]

Originally Posted by penbrook

I'm tired of saying this is about money when it's not. Clark went out and got the best available gm at that time in Pioli and than he went out and got Reid, the best coach available at that time. Hell I mean Clark even stopped Andy from going to Arizona to come to KC. Clark is not cheap. He continues to go out and get the best available at the time. He is a great owner!!

that money has zero effect on the cap.

Not saying Clark is cheap, just saying Clark doesnt like salary cap hell as a viable strategy and doesnt want to be the next New Orleans Saints

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[RunKC]

It's amazing how people kiss Clark's ass. This is his fault 100%.

You don't like Dorsey? Fire him after the season and hire Ballard. The fact that we lost BOTH Ballard and Dorsey is not good. It's bad management.

[FringeNC]

Originally Posted by penbrook

I'm tired of saying this is about money when it's not. Clark went out and got the best available gm at that time in Pioli and than he went out and got Reid, the best coach available at that time. Hell I mean Clark even stopped Andy from going to Arizona to come to KC. Clark is not cheap. He continues to go out and get the best available at the time. He is a great owner!!

I find it almost impossible to believe that Hunt is going to blow up the front office after going 12-4 over a couple million per year difference with Dorsey.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, just **** off. Clark Hunt has already said the power structure will remain the same.

Reid reports to Hunt, as will the new GM.

If they hire Brett Veach, you'll know otherwise.

Veach is a Reid puppet. Reid will feed Veach the reports and lead him around by his nose to make sure he gets back to taking lineman in the early rounds. Veach may ultimately report to Hunt but you'll be amazed how well Reid can disguise his lips moving whenever Veach speaks...

This is a power move. No matter how you spin it, Andy Reid held John Dorsey's job in his hands. He could've refused to extend had Dorsey not been re-signed and yet he didn't. Because your alternative to that is that had Reid given that ultimatum, Clark would've broomed both him and Dorsey.

No chance. Dorsey is gone because either Reid wanted it or just didn't give a shit either way. I'm betting on the former.

If you can name one other GM in the history of the NFL to take over the worst team in the league and over the next 4 years average 11 wins and then get FIRED after winning his division and getting a first round bye, perhaps your 'we should've seen this coming' theory would have some merit. But I'm betting this is completely unprecedented and as such, 'expected' it ain't.

Focus on a handful of bad decisions if you'd like (as though no other GM has those), but the scoreboard simply does not lie. This team has gotten younger, deeper and more talented under Dorsey. Is there some dead weight? Yup...welcome to the NFL. There's always dead weight. But on balance there's no way you can say Dorsey did anything other than a great job here.

This is a mistake.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Chiefs structure of the coach, GM, and president reporting equally to owner Clark Hunt will stay in place.

— Sam Mellinger (@mellinger) June 22, 2017

Structure and practice are two very different creatures.

You know this.

[BlackHelicopters]

Face it. You ****ed up. You trusted us.