Chiefs release WR Jeremy Maclin

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Wow

We have released wide receiver Jeremy Maclin.

➡️ https://t.co/xVXKqOhP3g pic.twitter.com/Gulky5JiAF

— Kansas City Chiefs (@Chiefs) June 2, 2017

The release of Maclin clears $10 million cap space since he was a post June 1 cut.

— Terez A. Paylor (@TerezPaylor) June 2, 2017

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Jeremy Maclin:
577 offensive snaps--44 rec, 536 yards, 2 rec TDs

Tyreek Hill:
378 offensive snaps--59 rec, 593 yards, 6 rec TDs

Reek was getting the #1 WR treatment last year. Played only 40% of the snaps. Now double that and double the stats.

[Nickhead]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Jeremy Maclin:
577 offensive snaps--44 rec, 536 yards, 2 rec TDs

Tyreek Hill:
378 offensive snaps--59 rec, 593 yards, 6 rec TDs

Reek was getting the #1 WR treatment last year. Played only 40% of the snaps. Now double that and double the stats.

i hope you knocked on wood there?

[BossChief]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Crazy and somewhat unexpected move.

Some thoughts before I read through the thread...

Last year, he looked like he hit the wall for vet receivers. Looked slow, not as physical and even disinterested. Age and injuries seem to have caught up to him.

Looking long term, every move needs to be made so Mahomes steps in with pieces around him to help him succeed and Maclin was in decline. Give those reps and targets to the young guys that will still be here when Mahomes takes over.

Andy is one of Jeremy's best friends, I'm sure he knew this was coming.

The team had 2 real cost effective options to clear cap space ... extend/restructure Alex (which he's publicly said he was open to) or cut Maclin. Looking at the big picture, this was a smart move. Can't pay Ferrari money and get corrola production.

It's no mistake or coincidence that this move was done June 2nd. This splits the dead money and gives flexibility with the cap to work an extension or 2. I'm thinking Dee Ford, Terrance Mitchell and Bennie Logan are the guys in line for possible in season extensions.

Maybe they have their eye on a player they feel gets cut that they feel can help KC this year.

If the cap space isn't used this year, it will be rolled into next year to use effectively.

Anyways, I'm perfectly fine with this move.

Nailed it

[O.city]

They neee to get the cap cleaned up which I'd imagine will happen next year but Dorsey needs to get this shit figured out

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by O.city

They neee to get the cap cleaned up which I'd imagine will happen next year but Dorsey needs to get this shit figured out

The cap isn't the myth that people suggest; it's real and it requires a fair amount of effort and forethought to manage well.

But no matter what happens, if you have a good team and several good players, you're going to go through these balancing acts. And you can either be constantly letting solid players go (or not bringing guys in) or you can do the binge/purge method that Dorsey seems to have settled into. Either are defensible.

But if Dorsey's going to go this route, you'll see 3 year waves where he clears the decks one year (and fans go apeshit because 'WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!'), then he'll spend the next year or two making key additions and extending his own, then he'll do another purge.

You can't just keep the throttle down. What he's dealing with now is the result of a couple of costly 'need' signings in Hali and DJ where he had no viable alternatives, just as was the case with Bowe.

Then again, it's also a result of not moving on from Daniel a year early (though that netted us a solid comp pick) or Colquitt 2 years ago. There have been a lot of opportunities for rollover that we haven't taken because I think Andy's still awfully gunshy about his QB position and loyal to his STs coordinator.

I can't say that I blame him on the former; his time in Philly unraveled when his QB position fell apart around his ears. I suspect he's unwilling to go through that kind of mess again.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The cap isn't the myth that people suggest; it's real and it requires a fair amount of effort and forethought to manage well.

But no matter what happens, if you have a good team and several good players, you're going to go through these balancing acts. And you can either be constantly letting solid players go (or not bringing guys in) or you can do the binge/purge method that Dorsey seems to have settled into. Either are defensible.

But if Dorsey's going to go this route, you'll see 3 year waves where he clears the decks one year (and fans go apeshit because 'WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!'), then he'll spend the next year or two making key additions and extending his own, then he'll do another purge.

You can't just keep the throttle down. What he's dealing with now is the result of a couple of costly 'need' signings in Hali and DJ where he had no viable alternatives, just as was the case with Bowe.

Then again, it's also a result of not moving on from Daniel a year early (though that netted us a solid comp pick) or Colquitt 2 years ago. There have been a lot of opportunities for rollover that we haven't taken because I think Andy's still awfully gunshy about his QB position and loyal to his STs coordinator.

I can't say that I blame him on the former; his time in Philly unraveled when his QB position fell apart around his ears. I suspect he's unwilling to go through that kind of mess again.

Pretty much it seems.

There's still a few guys in the roster that I don't understand a punter making what he does being one. But special teams are a big part of this team right now so I guess whatever

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

The cap isn't the myth that people suggest; it's real and it requires a fair amount of effort and forethought to manage well.

But no matter what happens, if you have a good team and several good players, you're going to go through these balancing acts. And you can either be constantly letting solid players go (or not bringing guys in) or you can do the binge/purge method that Dorsey seems to have settled into. Either are defensible.

But if Dorsey's going to go this route, you'll see 3 year waves where he clears the decks one year (and fans go apeshit because 'WE DIDN'T DO ANYTHING!!!'), then he'll spend the next year or two making key additions and extending his own, then he'll do another purge.

You can't just keep the throttle down. What he's dealing with now is the result of a couple of costly 'need' signings in Hali and DJ where he had no viable alternatives, just as was the case with Bowe.

Then again, it's also a result of not moving on from Daniel a year early (though that netted us a solid comp pick) or Colquitt 2 years ago. There have been a lot of opportunities for rollover that we haven't taken because I think Andy's still awfully gunshy about his QB position and loyal to his STs coordinator.

I can't say that I blame him on the former; his time in Philly unraveled when his QB position fell apart around his ears. I suspect he's unwilling to go through that kind of mess again.

IMO this is a result of Andy. Dorsey had no choice but to dip into FA early on bc the draft capitol simply wasn't there. Andy wanted Alex and it cost two second rd picks, then Andy made t even harder for Dorsey by contacting Maclin and losing us two more picks.

Then you add to the fact that Dorsey's first draft was the worst draft in a long time and that didn't help at all.

And then Andy really limited Dorsey by sticking with Alex again. Dorsey had Carr at the top of that draft board and Andy himself said he would have drafted Carr if it wasn't for Alex. Bottom line here is if we follow Dorsey's strategy and draft Derek Carr, we have a young elite caliber QB with no cap issues for another 2 years.

[frozenchief]

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/07/n...ill-alex-smith

[Rain Man]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/07/n...ill-alex-smith

Haha. Tyreek Hill's salary cap number is "under $600,000". God bless Dorsey.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

IMO this is a result of Andy. Dorsey had no choice but to dip into FA early on bc the draft capitol simply wasn't there. Andy wanted Alex and it cost two second rd picks, then Andy made t even harder for Dorsey by contacting Maclin and losing us two more picks.

Then you add to the fact that Dorsey's first draft was the worst draft in a long time and that didn't help at all.

And then Andy really limited Dorsey by sticking with Alex again. Dorsey had Carr at the top of that draft board and Andy himself said he would have drafted Carr if it wasn't for Alex. Bottom line here is if we follow Dorsey's strategy and draft Derek Carr, we have a young elite caliber QB with no cap issues for another 2 years.

Well shit, if you want to dig that deep it's Pioli's fault for leaving exactly zero roster depth.

Dorsey's approach isn't exactly secret; horizontal roster building. He wants depth stacked deep across the roster (as opposed to Pioli's stars and scrubs rosters). So he's been using a ton of draft capital to build that depth.

The problem is that when the depth wasn't already there, if you miss on someone (and you will), it creates a hole that you can't backfill as easily as you'd like.

As for the Carr issue - really, if Dorsey didn't take Carr because he had Smith already, that's on Dorsey. Smith's extension was after the '14 draft - the Chiefs weren't married to Smith yet and Dorsey's the final say. Reid's position was wholly reasonable coming into the 2013 season - he's a guy that just got ****ing fired and is taking over a team that experienced a fan mutiny mere months ago. He couldn't go into the 2013 season with no friggen quarterback. So the Smith move had to be made - it just did. And bark and complain all you want, but 2 second rounders for a guy that's given you credible quarterback play for 5 years is actually a pittance. That trade worked out well.

Dorsey can't hide behind Reid here - if he wanted Carr, he should've taken Carr. At that point you don't extend Smith in August of '14 and his iffy '14 season is probably enough to spark the QB move.

You can't blame Reid for Dorsey passing on Carr. Dorsey had a similar roadmap in front of him to what he has now and he paid much more dearly to bring in Mahomes. Dorsey just didn't have the juevos to make the move at the time.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by frozenchief

http://mmqb.si.com/mmqb/2017/06/07/n...ill-alex-smith

Interesting article that kinda gets back to my pre-draft position regarding Smith - his weapons have simply never seemed to matter. The guy is even Steven and he's going to play roughly the same football regardless of who you surround him with.

I attribute it to Smith's very rote method of playing QB and this article attributes it to Reid's schemes. There's probably truth to both in that they seem to complement each other.

I'm hopeful that we see more of the gunslinger Reid we saw when he had Vick under center. I don't think Reid's as dogmatic as many say he is - I just think the guy's a brilliant offensive mind and knows how to use what he has. If Mahomes is as advertised, I think we'll see a system that will allow guys to go out there and simply beat the man on the other side of them for big gains.

[Sandy Vagina]

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Reid’s West Coast-style offense is very scheme-driven. His play designs are what dictate which receivers get open and get targeted. Very rarely do the Chiefs ask receivers to line up and just beat defenders one-on-one. Instead, Reid builds plays that exploit predicted coverages.

You don’t need expensive receivers to do this, just reliable ones. Chris Conley and Albert Wilson types.

[DaNewGuy]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

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Go **** yourself

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Jeremy Maclin:
577 offensive snaps--44 rec, 536 yards, 2 rec TDs

Tyreek Hill:
378 offensive snaps--59 rec, 593 yards, 6 rec TDs

Reek was getting the #1 WR treatment last year. Played only 40% of the snaps. Now double that and double the stats.

I like Hill....but you know that's not how it works. Hill, as our #1, is going to start getting safeties rotated over the top and he's going to see a bunch of #1 CBs. His stats WILL go up because of the number of targets he's going to get....but it's not like you can just automatically just double his stats. Especially with Smith as QB.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I like Hill....but you know that's not how it works. Hill, as our #1, is going to start getting safeties rotated over the top and he's going to see a bunch of #1 CBs. His stats WILL go up because of the number of targets he's going to get....but it's not like you can just automatically just double his stats. Especially with Smith as QB.

Okay, but was Maclin getting safeties rotated over the top towards him last year? I'd guess absolutely not.

So, lets say Hill is starting to get safety attention and Robinson is anything close to NFL ready (or hell, Wilson is just the same fairly benign presence he's always been). Shouldn't that do a lot to open up targets for Kelce and the slot WR? I suspect the X will be about the same.

But if they can get defenses back into the 'pick your poison' mode of 2015 when they had to decide if they wanted to let Maclin or Kelce beat them, that's a MASSIVE win.

I think the point isn't necessarily that his stats will be as good but over larger opportunities, but rather that his production over minimal opportunities establishes him as a credible threat that may draw defenses in a way that Maclin simply wasn't doing last year.

Then again, Smith will probably just roll the other way and overthrow a runningback instead.

****! Not a smith thread. Still....****.