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Old 06-02-2017, 05:36 PM  
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:18 PM   #901
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Allen Robinson can/should be the target if the Jags don't franchise him.
Oops, I was thinking they'd give him a 2nd round tender.

Also, I wasn't implying he was dogshit but that the rest of the list, outside of the guys I mentioned, were dogshit.

That said, I have a hard time believing that Coughlin will let him walk, especially if they tank this year with Bortles and decide to draft a QB in the first.

Robinson would be the rookie's best friend.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:28 PM   #902
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It doesn't necessarily have to be offensive weapons per say, though. All those guys they'll cut will need to have replacements added and they'll need a starter or three on defense.
There's really not any high priced DT's, outside of maybe Logan (who the Chiefs will likely retain if he plays well) or Poe. The rest kind of look like mid-level guys.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...ensive-tackle/

There aren't any inside linebackers that will command much money, if anything over Vet Min

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/

The best of the OLB's (Melvin Gordon, Vontaze Burfict) will likley be re-signed by their current teams. The rest of the list (outside of Aldon Smith, someone I think the Chiefs would absolutely avoid) is pretty meh and certainly not deserving of a huge deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/

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Using Mahomes cheap years to load up the defense so they don't have to put so much pressure in him early is another big factor.

They traded up for Mahomes can get out from under Smith next years gaining a lot of money to lock up some more of their young core.
The Chiefs traded up for Mahomes because they want a QB for the next 12-15 years, not necessarily to save cap space.

Furthermore, the Chiefs have really pretty much busted on their high priced Free Agent acquisitions (re-siging Bowe, Maclin, Vance Walker, Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, etc.) with the lone exception of Sean Smith, whom they let walk at the right time.

If they do cut Smith next year, they'll just use that money to extend Ford and Peters and maybe bring back Logan, then rollover the rest into 2019, which is probably the best move considering all of the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 CBA.
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There's really not any high priced DT's, outside of maybe Logan (who the Chiefs will likely retain if he plays well) or Poe. The rest kind of look like mid-level guys.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...ensive-tackle/

There aren't any inside linebackers that will command much money, if anything over Vet Min

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/

The best of the OLB's (Melvin Gordon, Vontaze Burfict) will likley be re-signed by their current teams. The rest of the list (outside of Aldon Smith, someone I think the Chiefs would absolutely avoid) is pretty meh and certainly not deserving of a huge deal.

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agen...de-linebacker/



The Chiefs traded up for Mahomes because they want a QB for the next 12-15 years, not necessarily to save cap space.

Furthermore, the Chiefs have really pretty much busted on their high priced Free Agent acquisitions (re-siging Bowe, Maclin, Vance Walker, Dunta Robinson, Anthony Fasano, etc.) with the lone exception of Sean Smith, whom they let walk at the right time.

If they do cut Smith next year, they'll just use that money to extend Ford and Peters and maybe bring back Logan, then rollover the rest into 2019, which is probably the best move considering all of the uncertainty surrounding the 2021 CBA.
I'd prefer they use the money to lock up the current guys here ideally.
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I'd prefer they use the money to lock up the current guys here ideally.
Yeah, based on Dorsey's past in KC, I'm sure that's the plan.

Morse, Ford, Peters, Conley, RNR, and possibly DJ Alexander, Ramik Wilson and Terrance Mitchell are all on the horizon.
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Old 06-05-2017, 01:52 PM   #905
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No they couldn't have.

This buys them $10 million in cap rollover that wouldn't have otherwise existed.

It adds $10 million to next year's cap, effectively. It definitely makes it easier for them to keep Smith if they so choose.

I'm not saying that IS why they did it, but it would work with the timing. It came right after Mahomes had a bit of a pick-fest in OTAs. I think the more likely scenario is that they were just looking to clear the decks for Hill to ascend to #1 wideout, but I can't completely ignore the possibility that some reticence with Mahomes played into it.
I'm not sure exactly how it would work, but when I went on OTC Friday night, cutting Maclin now and cutting him in 2018 resulted in the same cap space for 2018. Maybe they can get more this way, but if so that is quite the loophole in the salary cap.
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Yeah, based on Dorsey's past in KC, I'm sure that's the plan.

Morse, Ford, Peters, Conley, RNR, and possibly DJ Alexander, Ramik Wilson and Terrance Mitchell are all on the horizon.
In before "Ramik Wilson sucks"
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Here's my deal... the Chiefs didn't even attempt to ask Maclin to take a pay cut. Not at all. So they clearly wanted to move on, just as much as they wanted the cap room.

They want the young WRs to play, IMO.
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I'm not sure exactly how it would work, but when I went on OTC Friday night, cutting Maclin now and cutting him in 2018 resulted in the same cap space for 2018. Maybe they can get more this way, but if so that is quite the loophole in the salary cap.
They don't factor in rollovers on stuff like that and Spotrac because it isn't official yet.

Their 'committed cap' for '18 wouldn't change any, but the amount of spending cap they have available to them goes up by any amount unspent in '17.

And yeah, it changes cap calculations quite a bit and makes backloaded contracts completely painless because money saved up front can 'pay forward' on itself in later years.

That's why the extension that Smith signed in '14 was often unfairly criticized. Smith was due to get $8 million in '14 but by extending and restructuring the first year, he lopped that year 1 figure down to $4.6 million and effectively created a $3.5 million 'surplus' that forward paid on his '15 number. So while his '15 cap figure was $15.6 million, the extension created an additional $3.5 million in carryover that effectively reduced that second year to just a tick over $12 million.

Cap rollover has changed the way you have to look at cap situations and cap casualties a great deal. That's why I've been calling for Colquitt's scalp for 2 years now. You have to always be looking 2-3 years down the road because it all continues to accumulate.
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Here's my deal... the Chiefs didn't even attempt to ask Maclin to take a pay cut. Not at all. So they clearly wanted to move on, just as much as they wanted the cap room.

They want the young WRs to play, IMO.
Did the same thing with Jamaal.

They'll either pay you what you're owed or if they decide you're not worth that, they figure they've got somebody that can replace you.

I don't remember the Chiefs ever seeking a 'paycut' during the Dorsey era. I know Carl was ALWAYS doing that but I can't recall this regime going that route at any point.
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Did the same thing with Jamaal.

They'll either pay you what you're owed or if they decide you're not worth that, they figure they've got somebody that can replace you.

I don't remember the Chiefs ever seeking a 'paycut' during the Dorsey era. I know Carl was ALWAYS doing that but I can't recall this regime going that route at any point.
Lunch pail white guy on the defensive line took a pay cut a couple years ago. Pretty sure Tamba did as well.
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Lunch pail white guy on the defensive line took a pay cut a couple years ago. Pretty sure Tamba did as well.
Derrick Johnson and Anthony Sherman took pay cuts back in March.
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