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Old 06-02-2017, 05:36 PM  
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:54 AM   #526
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Tyreek Hill: 61 catches, 593 yards, 6 TD's
Chris Conley: 44 catches, 530 yards
Jeremy Maclin: 44 catches, 536 yards, 2 TD's

Yep, nothing close.
You don't ****ing line up Hill out wide on a consistent basis.

We both know that and to allude that it's an option is ****ing stupid.

Conley did nothing last year. He wasn't a legit no 2 in his sophomore year and I really don't see much out of him this year. He doesn't ****ing get open...
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:54 AM   #527
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Tyreek Hill: 61 catches, 593 yards, 6 TD's
Chris Conley: 44 catches, 530 yards
Jeremy Maclin: 44 catches, 536 yards, 2 TD's

Yep, nothing close.
Don't forget this guy

Albert Wilson: 31 catches, 279 yards, 2 TD's
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:56 AM   #528
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Hill is gonna move into the z role I guess
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Old 06-03-2017, 10:57 AM   #529
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That said, Who do you promote out wide?...
The best player.

Reid has said repeatedly that they held Hill back last season because he didn't want to overwhelm him with too much and stated that this year, he'll see far more touches.

He is, by far, the most dynamic wide receiver on the roster and as such, will see increased touches which will reduce the role that Maclin would have had this year.
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You don't ****ing line up Hill out wide on a consistent basis.

We both know that and to allude that it's an option is ****ing stupid.

Conley did nothing last year. He wasn't a legit no 2 in his sophomore year and I really don't see much out of him this year. He doesn't ****ing get open...
Reid has already stated that Hill will see increased touches in 2017 at WR.

And if Conley "did nothing", what does that say about Maclin?

Was Maclin worth $12 million dollars more than Conley?
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Not good. If Hill gets hurt then you lose a primary receiver, running back and returner. Ouch.....Chiefs just got weaker
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Dorsey has been right about young players over and over and over again. Chris Jones, Dee Ford, Tyreek Hill, Steven Nelson.
Or failed on guys like Ford (who didn't even play until year 3 of a 4 year contract,) Fisher (who only became respectable year 3 as a no 1 overall pick.)

His picks from 5-7 have looked really good.

Mostly because he applied the same approach to them as he did 1st round picks: let's look at their athleticism and ignore production.

In the first two rounds that what makes you the Raiders.

In rounds 5-7 that's how you find gems...
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I'm sort of shocked only because of the questions the Chiefs have at the position. I like Maclin but he has not lived up to his contract. He had one really good season only to get hurt when they needed him most. Last year even when he played he was below average for being a #1, especially when it came to catching the football. Way too many drops. It's clear to me that Dorsey knows the value of players. He has no problems paying guys who's play earn new deals and he has no problem getting rid of guys not playing up to their current pay. Probably the most surprising thing is they didn't discuss negotiating a cheaper deal first but maybe they didn't see him being here long term regardless.
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Or failed on guys like Ford (who didn't even play until year 3 of a 4 year contract,) Fisher (who only became respectable year 3 as a no 1 overall pick.)

His picks from 5-7 have looked really good.

Mostly because he applied the same approach to them as he did 1st round picks: let's look at their athleticism and ignore production.

In the first two rounds that what makes you the Raiders.

In rounds 5-7 that's how you find gems...


Dorsey drafts for ceiling, not floor.
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Dorsey drafts for ceiling, not floor.
Dorsey drafting is for year 4 of a rookie contract.

That makes no ****ing sense.

The whole point is to save money by getting immediate production year one or two and to later extend that contract...
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I think it's completely fair to say that Maclin would be better in NE than Robinson who has proven nothing.

But I give credit to Dorsey here. This has all the makings of the Steven Nelson development last season. Let the vet (Sean Smith) go and trust your staff to develop a talented player.

Dorsey has been right about young players over and over and over again. Chris Jones, Dee Ford, Tyreek Hill, Steven Nelson.

Dorsey has earned my trust
Dorsey moved up for Conley, sat on their original 4th for Robinson and moved up for Chesson.

Obviously, there's something that Reid, the coaching staff and GM like about these players.
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Dorsey drafting is for year 4 of a rookie contract.

That makes no ****ing sense.

The whole point is to save money by getting immediate production year one or two and to later extend that contract...
This is absolutely silly.

The Chiefs have extended their best players after Year 3 in Kelce, Fisher and recently LDT. They'll extend Ford and Peter, too.

They've also extended Ware, West and Harris.

Get used to it.
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For those suggesting that Hill can't be a full time WR, or that he can't be a #1 WR, I will bring back a post of mine from a few weeks ago.

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As long as Hill has his speed, quickness, and ball tracking ability he absolutely can be a #1 WR.

Ask yourself, what CB in the league right now can comfortably press Tyreek without safety help? Which CB can play off Tyreek 8-10 yards and comfortably come up and make a tackle on him in the open field?

I don't know if there is one. He presents major problems with his speed. He puts defenders in no man's land at all times.
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Another way of looking at this is: From what I've read, it's gonna take $4.5M to sign our top 3 draft choices; prior to the Maclin move, we only had $3.5M available in cap space. By releasing Maclin, we now have space available to sign these draftees and have some excess cap space for contingency.

Would you rather have Maclin or our top 3 draft guys? Sure there are probably a million other ways to free up the cap space, but releasing Maclin definitely gave us some cap flexibility. Anyway, if you look at it this way, I'm not sure that the Chiefs "got worse" by releasing Maclin. Maybe their on field performance got worse (maybe), but the overall health of the organization actually improved. Otherwise, why would they have done the deal?!?!?!?!?!?

They were in a tight pinch cap-wise and it had to be addressed. I'd bet dollar to donut that the Chiefs themselves would like to have Maclin, but the harsh reality of the cap had to be addressed.

Additionally, this ultra-tight cap situation that we got ourselves in seems to lend credence to the thinking that said situation had a lot to do with the recent front office changes. My guess is that Dorsey allowed his minions to address detail contract/cap issues and they didn't exactly cross all t's and dot all i's in the process. Ergo, they were shown the door.
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