Chiefs From a Red Raider alum: Things you may not know about Patrick Mahomes II - Page 13

JDKinman · 04-30-2017, 09:29 AM

The majority of what has been written and publicly discussed about Patrick Mahomes II has focused on his arm and his ability to make plays. As is usual, the national sports media rarely sees beyond their keyboard.

I have a vested interest in this because I consider Kansas City my second home and my adopted hometown. The three years we spent in KC were the best of our career and the good folks of Kansas City took my wife and I in and made us feel more welcome and at home than any other place we have lived. For that, we'll always be grateful and we truly love the city as if we were born and raised there.

Now to Mahomes II.

Those of us who are Texas Tech alumni and supporters see quite a bit more. In no particular importance, I want to share my observations and experiences with Mahomes from the past three years.

1. No off the field issues and probably never will be. Patrick is not just an outstanding athlete, but he is an outstanding young man. In Raiderland, we never had to hold our breath wondering what foolishness he was going to get into. He has a solid moral compass, solid values and his focus--both professionally and socially--is on being a role model fit for both young kids and old grandmothers alike. He will be excellent for the Kansas City community in the way that Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith were active, and he has the boyish personality and "boy next door" persona of Joe Montana.

This is huge for me given as how I'm a retired ad agency and brand guy, the leader of a team has to wear that not just on their sleeve, but in their heart as well. Mahomes will make Kansas Citians proud everywhere he goes.

2. He's smart. Book smart, athletic smart and career smart. This too has been overlooked by the media. During his time at Texas Tech, Mahomes was an Academic All-American. He didn't cut or skip class and have coaches cover for him. (Kliff) Kingsbury doesn't tolerate that. We've lost some good players due to their academic hijinks and/or failures.

Concern over Mahomes' ability to learn an NFL playbook? Zero. Concerns over Mahomes' ability to manage his money rather than letting it manage him and becoming a distraction to the team and city? Zero. Concerns over his hitting an intellectual ceiling so far as being a professional quarterback goes? Zero.

3. He has an uncanny ability to not just read the defense, but to read what is happening on the defense as the play develops--and exploit it. Much of what I've read by sportswriters criticizing Mahomes for a "lack of pocket discipline" has been amusing. Watching six minutes of game film highlights and then penning a story for the press does not give one anywhere near the correct perspective of what Mahomes saw and accomplished on the field.

Tech fans have seen this for three years. Mahomes will see what the defense is doing, audible or adjust the play and then make adjustments on the run. Yes, some of this will need to change in the NFL and he will need to learn when a play cannot be salvaged or saved, but see Point #2 regarding his intelligence. The bigger picture here is that the young man has not only the vision to see what a defense is adjusting or preparing for, but also has the ability to react and counter-attack during the play. In high-scoring Big 12 games, this is critical.

4. Mahomes has the best "full field vision" of any quarterback we've ever had at Tech. Period. If what they say about reincarnation is true, Patrick Mahomes was a bird-of-prey in a previous life. His eyesight and vision is other-worldly when it comes to seeing the entire field. In three years and thousands of yards of passing, we may never have any idea how many touchdowns and first downs were made because he saw the entire field and every single eligible receiver.

Broadcasters are always good at pointing out during a replay the receivers that were open that the quarterback missed. You can go back and review all three years of Mahomes playing at Tech and you won't have more than a handful of those remarks by the broadcasters. The kid has incredible field vision and--

5. He analyzes and decides like a super computer. Maybe faster. This was another thing that kept the Raider faithful enthralled on game days. Mahomes knew who his primary and secondary receivers were, but his ability to read and analyze a defense and then adjust, sometimes even on the fly as the play was unfolding, and then process what was happening and then shift who was NOW the primary and secondary receiver was mind-boggling. Even the Tech receiving corps would shake their heads at how fast he could go from one side of the field as they were covered, to finding them as soon as the defense mistakenly thought they had the play covered, and then find his next set of primary receivers and make the play to them with laser-like accuracy.

He is a zone defense's worst nightmare. Man-on-man coverage is up to the receivers, but defensive coordinators and defensive backs are going to lose a lot of sleep trying to out guess and out-react Mahomes.

6. He is a freakshow of an athlete.This has been touched on, but Mahomes' athleticism goes far beyond his right arm. He's a husky, big kid who is a gym rat and fitness fanatic. He has eye to hand coordination that can fake you out on the football field or dazzle you on the baseball diamond.

7. He's humble. I doubt you'll see entourages or "crews" hanging with every move. Mahomes is self-confident and assured. He's not a Manziel that needed hero-worshippers falling all over him every step of the way. Mahomes gives credit to his coaches and receivers and teammates before he talks about anything he might have done in the game. Too much of that gets edited out by the sports writers and broadcasters, but this young man is the consummate team player and a natural leader.

In conclusion, I wanted to share these thoughts, views and experiences from the past three years of thoroughly enjoying Mahomes in a Texas Tech jersey. That he is trading Texas Tech red for Kansas City red. . . Christmas came in April and is now running non-stop for as long as this outstanding young man calls Arrowhead Stadium home.

Best regards,

--JD

Halfcan · 05-01-2017, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

He has NO footwork. NONE.

But if someone can teach that fat dinosaur Kirstie Alley to mamba I'm sure 2PM can learn to take a 3 step drop and square his shoulders...

I am sure he will have much better protection now than he ever had in college. Seemed he was running for his life after every snap.

So if he can already throw a 65 yard laser for a TD off his back foot consistently - what is he going to be like when he gets coached up?

Halfcan · 05-01-2017, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

I do think they are overblowing some of the criticisms. He is very naturally accurate, regardless of his footwork and arm mechanics. Reid, Payton, Arians, O'Brien, and other coaches around the league recognize this. He has room for improvement, but so do the other QB's in this draft. However, none of the other QB's in the draft have the upside of Pat Mahomes.

Another excellent post. I will take your word on it- you have seen a lot more of PM2 then most on this board.

I did not watch much of him at all before the draft- what I saw I really liked, but did not want to get my hopes up again. I was shocked the Chiefs moved up and broke our Curse.

Since the draft, I have been going back and watching his highlights and some of the games. Some of the throws he makes are simply amazing and I love his will to win. All of his interviews have been great and that makes me like him more. The Gruden camp was very impressive- I think it will have an impact on him.

I think PM2 can redefine the QB position and bring several Championships to KC if he keeps improving like he did in college.

**ptlyon** · 05-01-2017, 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfcan

I am sure he will have much better protection now than he ever had in college. Seemed he was running for his life after every snap.

So if he can already throw a 65 yard laser for a TD off his back foot consistently - what is he going to be like when he gets coached up?

Paging Tyreek Hill. Tyreek Hill report to the huddle please. Pick up the white courtesy phone.

KChiefs1 · 05-01-2017, 12:35 PM

Michael Lombardi was just on Rich Eisen & he said the Chiefs were on Mahomes in the 3rd game of the season.

https://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/...deGuid=1728743

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Sweet Daddy Hate · 05-01-2017, 07:14 PM

Thanks to the new members from Tech; it's great to get all of this inside information!
I've been watching every interview and presser I can get my hands on, and I'm super stoked for the PMII era to kick off.

Hog's Gone Fishin · 05-01-2017, 09:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I am sure he will have much better protection now than he ever had in college. Seemed he was running for his life after every snap.

So if he can already throw a 65 yard laser for a TD off his back foot consistently - what is he going to be like when he gets coached up?

Mahomy told Gruden that if he has a pocket to throw from he can make every throw.

Chiefshrink · 05-01-2017, 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog Farmer

Mahomy told Gruden that if he has a pocket to throw from he can make every throw.

and even if he doesn't have a pocket he can make every throw

DRM08 · 05-01-2017, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Chiefshrink

and even if he doesn't have a pocket he can make every throw

Yes, Pat is being pretty humble there with the pocket comment. The kid doesn't need one.

youtube.com/watch?v=-XQuafgzHj8

Chiefshrink · 05-01-2017, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by DRM08

Yes, Pat is being pretty humble there with the pocket comment. The kid doesn't need one.

True humility for sure. I love it !!!

Hog's Gone Fishin · 05-02-2017, 06:20 AM

I think Smith needs to take some extra Tylenol and see how it affects his liver.

KINGPIN CHIEFS FAN · 05-02-2017, 08:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Halfcan

I am sure he will have much better protection now than he ever had in college. Seemed he was running for his life after every snap.

So if he can already throw a 65 yard laser for a TD off his back foot consistently - what is he going to be like when he gets coached up?

As long as they don't overdo it on the coaching end. Paralysis by analysis can ruin his natural ability and cause him to lose his confidence. Let his natural tendencies come out on the field and make minor adjustments and suggestions and sit back and enjoy the show!

Steron · 05-02-2017, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

If this keeps up I am going to need a skin graft on Maboner.

I see what you did there.

Steron · 05-02-2017, 12:20 PM

The more I read, watch, and hear him - the more I am happy with this pick. I wasn't at first.

I saw him interviewed on GMFB. He thinks he can throw 85 yards in the air. The one everyone is talking about "came out with a little wobble" because he over threw it. They gave him a scenario, something like, will you take the safe pass or throw it to a WR with 1/2 a step on the DB. He said WR because "he can put it out there for his WR to win". Love the mentality.

It's going to be nice, in a season or two, to have somebody that can sling the ball and isn't afraid of tight windows.

Hammock Parties · 05-02-2017, 12:38 PM

Was just thinking...there is no way I am missing camp now. First time in YEARS I have a reason to go.

Beef Supreme · 05-02-2017, 12:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Steron

The more I read, watch, and hear him - the more I am happy with this pick. I wasn't at first.

I saw him interviewed on GMFB. He thinks he can throw 85 yards in the air. The one everyone is talking about "came out with a little wobble" because he over threw it. They gave him a scenario, something like, will you take the safe pass or throw it to a WR with 1/2 a step on the DB. He said WR because "he can put it out there for his WR to win". Love the mentality.

It's going to be nice, in a season or two, to have somebody that can sling the ball and isn't afraid of tight windows.

They asked him (paraphrased) "It's your first NFL play EVER ... The fullback is wide open coming across the middle five yards deep. The wide receiver has a half step on the DB on a go route. Who do you throw to? Remember, this is your first NFL play ever."

Pat says,(also paraphrased) "Probably the wide receiver. I mean, I'm not gonna lie to you. If he's got half a step I'm gonna give him the chance to make a play. NFL wide receivers are pretty good. They get paid to make the big plays."

04-30-2017, 09:29 AM
JDKinman Starter Join Date: Apr 2017 Location: In an airplane hangar Casino cash: $10000400	From a Red Raider alum: Things you may not know about Patrick Mahomes II The majority of what has been written and publicly discussed about Patrick Mahomes II has focused on his arm and his ability to make plays. As is usual, the national sports media rarely sees beyond their keyboard. I have a vested interest in this because I consider Kansas City my second home and my adopted hometown. The three years we spent in KC were the best of our career and the good folks of Kansas City took my wife and I in and made us feel more welcome and at home than any other place we have lived. For that, we'll always be grateful and we truly love the city as if we were born and raised there. Now to Mahomes II. Those of us who are Texas Tech alumni and supporters see quite a bit more. In no particular importance, I want to share my observations and experiences with Mahomes from the past three years. 1. No off the field issues and probably never will be. Patrick is not just an outstanding athlete, but he is an outstanding young man. In Raiderland, we never had to hold our breath wondering what foolishness he was going to get into. He has a solid moral compass, solid values and his focus--both professionally and socially--is on being a role model fit for both young kids and old grandmothers alike. He will be excellent for the Kansas City community in the way that Derrick Thomas and Neil Smith were active, and he has the boyish personality and "boy next door" persona of Joe Montana. This is huge for me given as how I'm a retired ad agency and brand guy, the leader of a team has to wear that not just on their sleeve, but in their heart as well. Mahomes will make Kansas Citians proud everywhere he goes. 2. He's smart. Book smart, athletic smart and career smart. This too has been overlooked by the media. During his time at Texas Tech, Mahomes was an Academic All-American. He didn't cut or skip class and have coaches cover for him. (Kliff) Kingsbury doesn't tolerate that. We've lost some good players due to their academic hijinks and/or failures. Concern over Mahomes' ability to learn an NFL playbook? Zero. Concerns over Mahomes' ability to manage his money rather than letting it manage him and becoming a distraction to the team and city? Zero. Concerns over his hitting an intellectual ceiling so far as being a professional quarterback goes? Zero. 3. He has an uncanny ability to not just read the defense, but to read what is happening on the defense as the play develops--and exploit it. Much of what I've read by sportswriters criticizing Mahomes for a "lack of pocket discipline" has been amusing. Watching six minutes of game film highlights and then penning a story for the press does not give one anywhere near the correct perspective of what Mahomes saw and accomplished on the field. Tech fans have seen this for three years. Mahomes will see what the defense is doing, audible or adjust the play and then make adjustments on the run. Yes, some of this will need to change in the NFL and he will need to learn when a play cannot be salvaged or saved, but see Point #2 regarding his intelligence. The bigger picture here is that the young man has not only the vision to see what a defense is adjusting or preparing for, but also has the ability to react and counter-attack during the play. In high-scoring Big 12 games, this is critical. 4. Mahomes has the best "full field vision" of any quarterback we've ever had at Tech. Period. If what they say about reincarnation is true, Patrick Mahomes was a bird-of-prey in a previous life. His eyesight and vision is other-worldly when it comes to seeing the entire field. In three years and thousands of yards of passing, we may never have any idea how many touchdowns and first downs were made because he saw the entire field and every single eligible receiver. Broadcasters are always good at pointing out during a replay the receivers that were open that the quarterback missed. You can go back and review all three years of Mahomes playing at Tech and you won't have more than a handful of those remarks by the broadcasters. The kid has incredible field vision and-- 5. He analyzes and decides like a super computer. Maybe faster. This was another thing that kept the Raider faithful enthralled on game days. Mahomes knew who his primary and secondary receivers were, but his ability to read and analyze a defense and then adjust, sometimes even on the fly as the play was unfolding, and then process what was happening and then shift who was NOW the primary and secondary receiver was mind-boggling. Even the Tech receiving corps would shake their heads at how fast he could go from one side of the field as they were covered, to finding them as soon as the defense mistakenly thought they had the play covered, and then find his next set of primary receivers and make the play to them with laser-like accuracy. He is a zone defense's worst nightmare. Man-on-man coverage is up to the receivers, but defensive coordinators and defensive backs are going to lose a lot of sleep trying to out guess and out-react Mahomes. 6. He is a freakshow of an athlete.This has been touched on, but Mahomes' athleticism goes far beyond his right arm. He's a husky, big kid who is a gym rat and fitness fanatic. He has eye to hand coordination that can fake you out on the football field or dazzle you on the baseball diamond. 7. He's humble. I doubt you'll see entourages or "crews" hanging with every move. Mahomes is self-confident and assured. He's not a Manziel that needed hero-worshippers falling all over him every step of the way. Mahomes gives credit to his coaches and receivers and teammates before he talks about anything he might have done in the game. Too much of that gets edited out by the sports writers and broadcasters, but this young man is the consummate team player and a natural leader. In conclusion, I wanted to share these thoughts, views and experiences from the past three years of thoroughly enjoying Mahomes in a Texas Tech jersey. That he is trading Texas Tech red for Kansas City red. . . Christmas came in April and is now running non-stop for as long as this outstanding young man calls Arrowhead Stadium home. Best regards, --JD
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