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Old 04-11-2017, 07:46 PM  
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So it begins..Browns might take Trubisky 1st overall?
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Just had an NFL exec tell me, "Don't be surprised if Myles Garrett isn't the No. 1 pick." Exec convinced a QB is in discussion at No. 1.

Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes will all be gone by pick 13.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:26 PM   #331
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If we miss out on Trubisky or Kizer, the next guys on my wish list are Barnett and Watt.

I don't know what you're trying to go for with this "desperation" narrative, but it's bizarre and kind of stupid. Not one person is advocating QB no matter ****ing what
Exactly.

If they take Watson or Kizer, I'll just say "eh, I guess they know what they're doing" but I don't like either of them. Kizer I could talk myself into due to his long-term upside, at least.

Watson would have me in the same boat that I was in when Pioli traded for Cassel - dude had better be right because I'm not seeing it at all.

And for all the yap about the '18 class, nobody but Darnold will be able to step in and play better than Mahomes in '18. Mahomes will have a year under his belt by then.

The 'wait 'till 18' crowd seems to be completely ignoring the fact that this front office isn't going to walk away from Smith to install a rookie - they just won't. So if we wait until '18, that means 2 more years with Smith.

IF there is a gap between the caliber of QBs available to us at this point in the draft and the caliber of QBs likely to be available to us at a similar point in next year's draft, it isn't so great to justify another year with Alex Smith. If Falk falls into the teens, it will be because he isn't the world-beater that folks are trying to say he'll be. Likewise with Rudolph or Allen or Browning or Rosen. If any of those guys make it to the 18-25 range, it will be because they simply aren't the prospects people are claiming they're going to be. If they're clearly better than Mahomes and crew, they'll go top 10. If they're the same, we'll pay the same to get them only wait a year to start on their development.

"Wait until X class" simply doesn't make sense. Not with as willing as teams are to move up to get their guy anymore. If the draft is full of studs next year, we'll still be left out in the cold because the teams that desperately need them will pay more to move up less than we will. And we'll end up looking at the same kind of flawed prospects in the late 20s that we're looking at now.
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:46 PM   #332
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Oh yay.
What QB in this draft is better than Cousins?
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Old 04-14-2017, 02:49 PM   #333
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What QB in this draft is better than Cousins?
Obviously none of them. But none of these QBs are going to cost you multiple 1st round picks and $20+ million a season.
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Obviously none of them. But none of these QBs are going to cost you multiple 1st round picks and $20+ million a season.
Won't he be a free agent next year? Even if you have to trade a pick and pay the guy 3 million more than Smith who cares? I keep hearing were just a QB away.well there ya go.
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Won't he be a free agent next year? Even if you have to trade a pick and pay the guy 3 million more than Smith who cares? I keep hearing were just a QB away.well there ya go.
Cousins will cost a hell of a lot more than $3 million more than Smith.

I'm thinking he ends up costing 5/$120 million with $75 million of that guaranteed.

That's more than a 40% kicker in AAV over what Smith's making For a quarterback who will be entering his age 30 season and beginning his physical decline. And that doesn't even get into the massive guarantee that will eliminate any possibility of an escape hatch for at least 3 seasons and ensure that we won't be seeing a young QB take over this franchise until 2021 at the very earliest.

The Chiefs need to get out of the business of signing expensive re-treads, especially if they hope to keep guys like Peters, Hill, Jones, etc...
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Cousins will cost a hell of a lot more than $3 million more than Smith.

I'm thinking he ends up costing 5/$120 million with $75 million of that guaranteed.

That's more than a 40% kicker in AAV over what Smith's making For a quarterback who will be entering his age 30 season and beginning his physical decline. And that doesn't even get into the massive guarantee that will eliminate any possibility of an escape hatch for at least 3 seasons and ensure that we won't be seeing a young QB take over this franchise until 2021 at the very earliest.

The Chiefs need to get out of the business of signing expensive re-treads, especially if they hope to keep guys like Peters, Hill, Jones, etc...
We can debate the cap all day long quite frankly im not sure it matters ive seen this GM give a punter a ridiculous amount of money with a shitty cap and still able to keep all the guys he wants. Does Cousins not make this team better? I think he absouletly does. I agree it would be nice to draft a guy I wont be mad if we do shit I hope we do this year. Im not aure any of them are special though and I wont adopt the this year or nothing mentality. Ive seen it done several times on this board and its never worked.
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Old 04-14-2017, 03:45 PM   #337
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We can debate the cap all day long quite frankly im not sure it matters ive seen this GM give a punter a ridiculous amount of money with a shitty cap and still able to keep all the guys he wants. Does Cousins not make this team better? I think he absouletly does. I agree it would be nice to draft a guy I wont be mad if we do shit I hope we do this year. Im not aure any of them are special though and I wont adopt the this year or nothing mentality. Ive seen it done several times on this board and its never worked.
Cousins probably makes this team better.

But man, isn't it just the same shit sandwich on different bread? How many times do we have to see picking up somebody else's quarterback fail before we realize it just isn't the way to go.

NFL history is not littered with examples of veteran quarterbacks changing teams and taking them to the championship. There are a few, but not a ton. Moreover, recent history looks even worse as the cap has made that less and less viable an approach.

If you're paying top of the market prices for a QB that's just slightly better than average, in a cap league you're making your team worse in the long run, not better.

If they make that signing and don't win a SB in the first 2 seasons, they won't win one at all. And with the complexity of Reid's offense, you can pretty much write year 1 off anyway (he'll still have a hell of a learning curve). So you're putting a whole lot of eggs in the year 2 basket before that contract starts to make it impossible for you to retain talent around him.

Nah, not interested.
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Cousins probably makes this team better.

But man, isn't it just the same shit sandwich on different bread? How many times do we have to see picking up somebody else's quarterback fail before we realize it just isn't the way to go.

NFL history is not littered with examples of veteran quarterbacks changing teams and taking them to the championship. There are a few, but not a ton. Moreover, recent history looks even worse as the cap has made that less and less viable an approach.

If you're paying top of the market prices for a QB that's just slightly better than average, in a cap league you're making your team worse in the long run, not better.

If they make that signing and don't win a SB in the first 2 seasons, they won't win one at all. And with the complexity of Reid's offense, you can pretty much write year 1 off anyway (he'll still have a hell of a learning curve). So you're putting a whole lot of eggs in the year 2 basket before that contract starts to make it impossible for you to retain talent around him.

Nah, not interested.
I think he makes us better but probably not a super bowl champion. Im not sure thats this franchises desire though. Of course they want to win it all but I dont get that same desire as say New England, Denver or Pittsburgh. Cousins atleast gets them to the playoffs.

Or we could all be wasting our time on this and they try to give the keys to our current backup whos stuck around for 4 years. Maybe we do get that top 10 pick next year since our 33 year old qb doesnt know how to slide. Who knows?
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Maybe we do get that top 10 pick next year since our 33 year old qb doesnt know how to slide. Who knows?
Not a terrible point.

The odds of Smith making it through 12+ games/season over the coming years get less and less as his ability to actually throw the football continues to decline.

He's going to continue to put himself in harms way and as he ages, he'll be less able to avoid the shot or shake of its effects.
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Maybe Smith will get a severe injury and Tyler Bray will turn into the NFL's next Kurt Warner.

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Naaaaah... that'd be a stroke of good luck. That will never happen to us.
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Maybe Smith will get a severe injury and Tyler Bray will turn into the NFL's next Kurt Warner.

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Naaaaah... that'd be a stroke of good luck. That will never happen to us.
Just like Alex Smith getting hurt and Tyler Bray leading us to a 1-15 record will never happen.
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You have to ignore some people

They want a QB right NOW and if that means dismissing next year's class to validate their desperation for a QB pick this year, then that's what they will do.

Every year the QB desperation hits and people go nuts
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This was last year..oddly familiar. Next year is always the year guys! We'll hear that 1 year from now and then the next year etc.
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http://www.chiefsplanet.com/BB/showp...8&postcount=17

This was last year..oddly familiar. Next year is always the year guys! We'll hear that 1 year from now and then the next year etc.
"We're just unlucky"

When it comes to the draft, teams make their own luck, especially over a multi-year period.
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Yeah, like trading your 1st one year for a 1st the following season.

That's exactly how you seize control of your destiny.
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This.

There's a reason teams like the Steelers and Pats and Packers seem to constantly be in the hunt...
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