So it begins..Browns might take Trubisky 1st overall?

[RunKC]

Adam Schefter

Just had an NFL exec tell me, "Don't be surprised if Myles Garrett isn't the No. 1 pick." Exec convinced a QB is in discussion at No. 1.

Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes will all be gone by pick 13.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

I'd rather bite the bullet and trade up instead of just sitting on our ****ing hands like we always do. I'm sure we'll just sit there at 27 and watch one of them fall into the 20s.....and then they'll announce a trade has happened. And it will end up being some other team jumping us to pick him.

Well the good news is at that point we'd trade back, get a whopping 4th rounder for our troubles and lose a year of cost control.

But hey, can't overstate the value of 4th round picks when you're cutting 3rd rounders before camp is over...

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by Pestilence

Geno hurt Clay and Clay isn't over it yet. That's all this is.

He's a coward that's scared to be wrong again

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He's a coward that's scared to be wrong again

Clay Hunt.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Clay Hunt.

Yup, the irony

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Your hypothetical was in response to a trade up to get to to 14; that's what that trade would cost.

So that's exactly what you suggested we do.

And I reiterate, if all you're willing to give up to acquire Smith's replacement is something like an extra 3rd rounder (i.e. roughly the cost it takes to get to 22), then no, you can't say "I want Smith gone as much as the next guy" because you clearly don't. That's a "eh, if it's cheap, why not?"

So you're in the middle; someone that thinks Smith can win a championship if surrounded by enough talent but who we could start looking for a replacement for if it came at a nominal cost.

The situation is far more dire than that, IMO.

I look at it like this. Alex Smith is a better QB than Super Bowl Trent Dilfer. That's not supposed to be a compliment to Alex Smith, but let's use it as a baseline for what is possible in order to win a Super Bowl. The answer to the question, "Can Alex Smith win a Super Bowl," to me would be, "Only if he has something very close to the 2000 Ravens defense."

How close is KC to becoming as dominant as the 2000 Ravens defense? What would it take? Is that easier than drafting and developing a QB who is significantly better than Alex?

I don't think we'd need to change our defensive coaching staff all that much. Sutton plans and designs his schemes pretty well to the talent he has on the field. If the pass rush is ineffective, he's very good at designing protection coverages that prevent the other team from reaching the end zone. They'll give up a lot of yards, but that's the balance you have to strike if you don't have the horses up front.

Berry is fine. Chris Jones is (probably) fine. Houston (knock on wood) will be fine. And the options at the other DE spot, while numerous and deep, probably aren't as dominant as what the Ravens had, but it's hardy going to prevent us from being great.

And sad to say, for the rest of the positions, we're either counting on getting hugely lucky in the draft or hugely lucky from a player development side. Marcus Peters is great... I loves me some Marcus Peters, if that hasn't been made evident ever since a few months before we drafted him. But he's got to be a lot more well-rounded. A big risk-big play guy like him would need to improve the times he chooses to take those big risks.

We'd be counting on getting hugely lucky on the Bennie Logan signing. We'd need him to unprecedentedly blossom into something much better than he was.

We'd need to strike gold at CB. Nelson would have to be a much better nickel guy, even though he's not exactly terrible right now. Terrance Mitchell/rookie would have to be turn into a top 20 starting CB. Ron Parker would have to turn back into 2014 Ron Parker. And of course, DJ would either have to find the fountain of youth, Ramik Wilson would have to turn into an animal, or we'd have to draft an animal.

Soooo... yeah. I'm gonna go ahead and say that's not likely to happen. We should probably hope we get lucky on drafting a QB instead of hoping for getting lucky at like 7 or 8 different things.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I've talked myself into it.

If it were the 1st and a comp 3rd, it's a no-brainer. Throwing in the 2nd next year stings a bit but it puts us so far ahead of where we'd be if we waited until next season (or took the next best option) that it's worth the capital.

Meanwhile, we still hold onto our 2nd this year to find the ILB we need and our original 3rd to get depth on the DL or edge. I don't see a lot of pass-catching talent out wide in the middle rounds but there are some intriguing TE options that we could target in the 3rd or 4th as well if we went that route.

We don't feel the real sting in that trade until 2018 but if it gets us to our QB a year earlier, you do it and you don't think twice. If Ballard offered that deal to move up to 14, I'd probably take it.

I'd regret it because ultimately I think the Cardinals stuff is a smokescreen and it's unlikely that anyone actually takes Mahomes before 22, but **** me I'd hate to be wrong. I really like that guy.

Your last paragraph sums it up for me, and this is my conundrum. For me personally it is either Mahomes or Watson for KC as qbotf. I liked Kizer, but the recent reports of his immaturity have scared me off.

I know I proposed the move up to get to Indy's pick for Mahomes. This was before the scenario was proposed about Foster still being on the board. If Foster is still on the board at that point however, do you take pause and re-evaluate? It is not often you have top five talent available to you in the mid to late teens at a position of need that you can manoeuvre for given our draft position.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by staylor26

He's a coward that's scared to be wrong again

If that were the case I wouldn't be gung ho about next year's QB class.

[RealSNR]

I love Clay, and if the Chiefs draft a QB, I look forward to the day when comes back to me and starts sucking on our shiny new QB schlong.

But he's wrong right now. I don't want to give him the Simply Red treatment, but I'm running out of options. I just want Clay to love me again, that's all.

[Hammock Parties]

You guys literally are just jumping on the first QB that's available as soon as you gave up on Alex. That's all this is.

You're impatient, desperate children throwing a tantrum over middling QB prospects.

You want instant sexual patrickification, and it's a little embarrassing, frankly.

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by ASS11

You guys literally are just jumping on the first QB that's available as soon as you gave up on Alex. That's all this is.

You're impatient, desperate children throwing a tantrum over middling QB prospects.

You want instant sexual patrickification, and it's a little embarrassing, frankly.

Heh.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by RealSNR

I love Clay, and if the Chiefs draft a QB, I look forward to the day when comes back to me and starts sucking on our shiny new QB schlong.

But he's wrong right now. I don't want to give him the Simply Red treatment, but I'm running out of options. I just want Clay to love me again, that's all.

Right now Clay is Luke Skywalker on that damn island after losing everything 4 years ago, but if/when we take a rd 1 QB, he will return with open arms and together we will all come together to balance Chiefsplanet and cleanse the site of all 49er/Alex diehard fans.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by ASS11

You guys literally are just jumping on the first QB that's available as soon as you gave up on Alex. That's all this is.

You're impatient, desperate children throwing a tantrum over middling QB prospects.

You want instant sexual patrickification, and it's a little embarrassing, frankly.

This isn't Geno. People with no bias are actually connecting the dots with Mahomes and the Chiefs as a fit.

[RealSNR]

Originally Posted by ASS11

You guys literally are just jumping on the first QB that's available as soon as you gave up on Alex. That's all this is.

You're impatient, desperate children throwing a tantrum over middling QB prospects.

You want instant sexual patrickification, and it's a little embarrassing, frankly.

You do realize that when Alex's wheels start falling off this year and it becomes a desperate situation for the Chiefs to find a replacement, they're not going to like their position in the draft for the QB prospects likely to come to them, and they're going to solve that issue by trading for a backup prospect, right?

We tried sucking it out. We did it. We got the #1 overall pick. And the franchise still couldn't get it right.

What makes you think they're going to nail 2018 the way they're supposed to? What makes you think they're capable of crafting a cunning QB plan a full year away when they're still looking to "make the best of a bad situation" from all the way back in 2013?

[Titty Meat]

Clay will be right yet again and nobody will apologize to him. Shame.

[Hammock Parties]

Originally Posted by staylor26

This isn't Geno. People with no bias are actually connecting the dots with Mahomes and the Chiefs as a fit.

Why would I be biased against Mahomes? I'm simply reading the tea leaves. The vast majority of people are saying none of these QBs are worth a first rounder, and given that Mahomes is Johnny Manziel lite I can't believe CP is so hard for him.

It's very, very reminiscent of Geno. This place built him up to a far better prospect than he actually was by turning CP into an echo chamber. It's just transference of that same phenomenon to another guy, who wouldn't have even been considered as an option a year ago when people like BossChief were insisting Alex could go out and throw 30 TDs.

It's a lot of impatient ignorance. I just hope when the guys holding the keys DON'T draft Mahomes, or ANY QB in the 1st, there aren't going to be a lot of hissy fits, because it will absolutely be a reasonable decision.