So it begins..Browns might take Trubisky 1st overall?

[RunKC]

Adam Schefter

Just had an NFL exec tell me, "Don't be surprised if Myles Garrett isn't the No. 1 pick." Exec convinced a QB is in discussion at No. 1.

Trubisky, Watson and Mahomes will all be gone by pick 13.

[SAGA45]

The one thing about Kaaya that he has over most of the top qb prospects is mechanics. Probably the most fundamentally sound passer in the entire QB class with Trubisky a close second. But he lacks the dual-threat athleticism and improvisation that make guys like Mahomes, Watson and Kizer more appealing. I want to compare him to Kirk Cousins but I haven't seen the competitive fire and leadership in him that Cousins has.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by raybec 4

I shoulda gone to law school, you said that way better than I did.

It just cracks me up. I like Chris Petersen a lot, I think he's an excellent coach. But nobody would try to say that the guy isn't a bit of a red-ass.
He's a strict guy and I have no problem with that. And coming into a new situation, he needed to put a stamp on a team that had been run by an undisciplined lunatic drunk.

So of course, right after they're no longer bowl eligible and with everyone and their brother knowing that Peters is leaving early for the draft, Petersen tosses him out to send a message. Oh, and then Petersen gave him Peters his endorsement and high marks to any NFL coach that asked because everyone knew this kid loved football. Unlike Williams, who just ****ing quit, everyone around Peters gave the exact OPPOSITE statement - the kid gets himself in trouble because he loves football and cares so much about succeeding that it will occasionally get the best of him.

There is literally no worse comparison you can make than a RB that quit the football team because his heart wasn't in it and a CB that was tossed off because he couldn't keep his emotions in check.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And comparing Peters - a top flight talent and consensus 1st round pick who's dedication to football was never questioned and who was thrown off the team by a new head coach looking to put heads on stakes to establish dominance but only AFTER they were no longer bowl eligible - to Joe Williams, is smart?

The situations aren't even remotely comparable. At all.

As for Hill - if you're going to make that leap, at least stick with Mixon.

There's a better chance that Joe Williams goes undrafted than there is that he goes in the first 3. I'd be shocked if anyone grabs him before the 6th. I'd hazard a guess that you've seen exactly zero seconds of him running the football and yet you're salivating over taking him on the 2nd day.

You're a goddamn moron.

You realize that all your talking points I found verbatim taken off a couple websites. You criticize his catching ability when guys like Spencer Ware, Coleman, Freeman, and Bell weren't used as dual threat backs in college. So that argument is crap. Then you point at character issues but then backtrack to say Peters and Tyreeks athleticism surpasses that. Joe Williams runs all over the PAC 12 with more success than Devontae Booker did for Utah, has elite speed and killed it in the 40 and shuttle.... Yet somehow he's a shit prospect. You then criticize his blocking ability like it's a deal breaker but my your logic Jamaal Charles would be a backup. What. A joke.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Cam Newton quit on Florida. So there's that.

HE WAS GOING TO GET EXPELLED FOR THEFT AND ACADEMIC FRAUD!

Do you have any control over how stupid you allow yourself to get?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

You realize that all your talking points I found verbatim taken off a couple websites. You criticize his catching ability when guys like Spencer Ware, Coleman, Freeman, and Bell weren't used as dual threat backs in college. So that argument is crap. Then you point at character issues but then backtrack to say Peters and Tyreeks athleticism surpasses that. Joe Williams runs all over the PAC 12 with more success than Devontae Booker did for Utah, has elite speed and killed it in the 40 and shuttle.... Yet somehow he's a shit prospect. You then criticize his blocking ability like it's a deal breaker but my your logic Jamaal Charles would be a backup. What. A joke.

What do you want to lay down on where he gets drafted?

And in what planet was Jamaal Charles not an outstanding blocker and receiver out of the backfield? Or run with poor pad level?

You're doing a really bad job here.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by rico

Do you think the areas that he's lacking are fixable? If so, easily fixable or something(s) that may take a while?

I don't know but if I were betting I'd say probably not.

As has been noted, his mechanics are pretty clean so there's not an easy fix there. By and large, he does what you want to see a good thrower do and his biomechanics sure seem to allow him to repeat it. You love seeing that. The flipside to that coin is that those kinds of really polished passers often lack some of the improvisational skills that allow them to throw shit at the wall and make it stick when all hell breaks lose. They're robotic as opposed to 'feel' quarterbacks that can just pull something from nothing. When things don't go according to script for them, it's a problem. Some have both, but those are rare birds. Most QBs are one or the other.

Kaaya would need to be the former but to do so, he'd need to be willing to stand in there when things are going crazy around him. I've said since I watched Gabbert come apart at Mizzou - once a guy starts looking at the rush, it's hard to ever break him of it. If a quarterback's unwilling to keep his eyes downfield in the face of a rush, DCs will see it and attack it. It's only a matter of time before he starts feeling phantom pressure or missing disguised blitzes where LBs are dropping into short zones and he's still firing the ball to the hot read and right into the LBs chest.

I'm fine taking him as a replacement for Bray but I don't think they'd find a way to keep him on the roster. I think he's a nice backup candidate in that he's a football rat and a smart guy that can come in, play a few games a year and keep you competitive. There's a slim chance he could turn into a Bridgewater type (and an even slimmer one that he could become Cousins). But realistically you're looking at a cost-effective backup for a few years, IMO.

[LiL stumppy]

He's a huge Browns fan. It makes the most sense imo.. he's my favorite prospect at QB. I think Myles is going to be a dominate player, but if you have a guy like Trubisky that wants to play for the Browns, I think you take it..

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

What do you know of the situation? We didn't know a damn thing about the Peters situation and how Dorsey did private interviews til after we drafted him yet here you are discrediting someone you googled last night. Williams is third round talent any normal year. If we get him late because of the large volume of backs this year it provides is a better alternative to C West

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

What do you want to lay down on where he gets drafted?

And in what planet was Jamaal Charles not an outstanding blocker and receiver out of the backfield? Or run with poor pad level?

You're doing a really bad job here.

You didn't see the difference in blocking ability that Ware provided?

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

He's a huge Browns fan. It makes the most sense imo.. he's my favorite prospect at QB. I think Myles is going to be a dominate player, but if you have a guy like Trubisky that wants to play for the Browns, I think you take it..

Wait...what?

You draft a player over a clearly superior player because he's a fan of the team?

That makes zero sense.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

HE WAS GOING TO GET EXPELLED FOR THEFT AND ACADEMIC FRAUD!

Do you have any control over how stupid you allow yourself to get?

Any do you know the exact reasons why Williams quit the team? Only the coaches and him truly now. You don't show up to beat the hell out of the PAC 12 and prep to put up stellar numbers at the combine because you aren't serious about playing.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

You didn't see the difference in blocking ability that Ware provided?

Charles, before his injuries, was a better blocker than Ware.

Ware was more physical but Charles was equally willing and smarter. Seriously, go back and look at him in his prime; the guy would absolutely kill blitzing linebackers because he had virtually flawless technique. Hell, the guy flat out broke Brian Cushing's leg on a block.

Very few guys were better at diagnosing a blitz, getting to their spot and making the right type of block at the right time than Jamaal Charles. He wasn't going to try to go upright and go chest to chest with some dude flying off the edge, but he'd toss a chip in there to get them off balance or cut the shit out of them if he needed to.

Charles was an outstanding blocker. You're out of your depth and by a fair amount.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Any do you know the exact reasons why Williams quit the team? Only the coaches and him truly now. You don't show up to beat the hell out of the PAC 12 and prep to put up stellar numbers at the combine because you aren't serious about playing.

And you do?

I ask again - what do you want to lay down on where he gets drafted? A whole lot of people that are going to know a whole lot more about him than you or I do are going to have a chance to prove you right.

What say you?

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

Any do you know the exact reasons why Williams quit the team? Only the coaches and him truly now. You don't show up to beat the hell out of the PAC 12 and prep to put up stellar numbers at the combine because you aren't serious about playing.

Those vaunted Pac 12 rushing defenses.

[The Franchise]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And you do?

I ask again - what do you want to lay down on where he gets drafted? A whole lot of people that are going to know a whole lot more about him than you or I do are going to have a chance to prove you right.

What say you?

He's not going to bet you.