Chiefs Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with? - Page 10

Direckshun · 01-17-2017, 01:44 PM

I'm in favor like everybody else on this board (and 85% of the NFL) of upgrading at QB.

But there is nobody to do that with.

It's easy to say it should be done.

Which of these steps are you willing to take?

Poll coming.

go bo · 01-17-2017, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GloryDayz

Cut him, let Poe play QB next year, backup Poe some scrub, go 0-16, get Drew Lock with the first pick in the draft.

hm, mm... didn't we try that lately and end up with fisher?

however, i am totally in favor of poe playing any position he wants!

gold_and_red · 01-17-2017, 10:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KC Tattoo

He literally thinks it's Alex Smith.

That is why he is sticking with Alex Smith.

Right, maybe it explains the 1960s and 70s passing production we are getting out of Smith.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2017, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

Can I get a Alex Smith restructure as a choice in the poll?

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days. The only people left on this Turdtanic are you, Captain Tiger, and the ****ing string quartet.

Have ****ing fun drowning in the sea of your own Alex jizz, you ****ing dipshit

go bo · 01-17-2017, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Not advocating for a reach in any way whatsoever

I have O problems if they truly arent in love with a QB this year, as its not a particularly strong class... Foles, Bray, some yokel next year works for me

But in 2018, with a deep group? Yeah, its time to pull the trigger, trade up at least into the second at a minimum... between Dorsey and Reid we're almost sure to find a real player

2018 sounds like it's far away somehow...

can we keep all our outstanding talent that long and still have some left for a fa or two?

if you could pick for the chiefs in 2018 who would you pick?

Discuss Thrower · 01-17-2017, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by 'Hamas' Jenkins

While the Chiefs are at it, they should offer a 2023 7th for Antonio Brown and Le"evion Bell.

It's quite hard to get that kind of value in a trade. I definitely say pull the trigger.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2017, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

I think he is referring to the 1st round picks they have made that didn't work:

Tim Couch
Brady Quinn
Brandon Weeden
Johnny Manziel

Oh THAAAAAAT'S why the Browns are terrible! Four QBs since they re-started their franchise in 1999 have utterly demolished the entire team! I get it now! And here I thought it was all of those cheap free agent and trade QBs that the Browns kept trying to turn into gold like they thought they could find the next Kurt Warner. You know, guys like:

Doug Pederson
Kelly Holcomb
Luke McCown
Jeff Garcia
Trent Dilfer
Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Brian Hoyer
Josh McCown
Robert Griffin III

But nope. FOUR ****ing attempts at QBs. Two of them were exceptionally misguided ones in Weedon and Manziel, where they only people who thought they'd be great pros were the mentally challenged and small children. But nope... the Browns are terrible all because they draft first round QBs!

threebag · 01-17-2017, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days. The only people left on this Turdtanic are you, Captain Tiger, and the ****ing string quartet.

Have ****ing fun drowning in the sea of your own Alex jizz, you ****ing dipshit

Yeah Quesadilla joe can thumb pop your asshole while Steve Sewell's in your mouth. Go Geno.

You mouth hugging twat

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2017, 10:56 PM

The Browns have been a part of some pretty huge trade downs on draft day as well, where they sold their high draft picks for pretty damn good hauls. They got a huge haul going from 2 to 8 last year when the Eagles got Carson Wentz. Or that time in 2012 when they acquired extra picks and traded down with the Vikings two spots to take Trent Richardson. Or in 2009 when they traded out of the 5 spot a bunch of times and got... Alex Mack and a bunch of crap, I think?

They sure do a looooot of trading down in the 1st round. And look at the state of their franchise. I guess since correlation DOES equal causation, and the Browns drafting all those QBs in the first round is why they keep sucking, I guess teams should also be advised against trading down and getting lots of picks.

I mean, the Browns do it a lot, and they're terrible. So don't do it!

splatbass · 01-17-2017, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

All of the middle-of-the-road and mostly rational posters who supported Alex Smith have jumped off the ship in the past couple of days.

People get hysterical after a playoff loss. Alex Smith didn't play well yesterday, but there were a lot of reasons we lost besides Alex Smith. Placing the blame entirely on the QB is not rational, it is emotional.

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2017, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by threebag02

Yeah Quesadilla joe can thumb pop your asshole while Steve Sewell's in your mouth. Go Geno.

You mouth hugging twat

Look around you. You're all alone. You and Alex.

I guess it's kind of exciting for you. You can finally empty all that saliva into his mouth in a nice quiet private safe space.

gold_and_red · 01-17-2017, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

The Browns have been a part of some pretty huge trade downs on draft day as well, where they sold their high draft picks for pretty damn good hauls. They got a huge haul going from 2 to 8 last year when the Eagles got Carson Wentz. Or that time in 2012 when they acquired extra picks and traded down with the Vikings two spots to take Trent Richardson. Or in 2009 when they traded out of the 5 spot a bunch of times and got... Alex Mack and a bunch of crap, I think?

They sure do a looooot of trading down in the 1st round. And look at the state of their franchise. I guess since correlation DOES equal causation, and the Browns drafting all those QBs in the first round is why they keep sucking, I guess teams should also be advised against trading down and getting lots of picks.

I mean, the Browns do it a lot, and they're terrible. So don't do it!

Speaking of the Browns, sure they drafted plenty of QBs early, but coaching also matters. If we had drafted Rodgers instead of DJ, do you trust Herm to have developed him in his RRPP offense?

**Easy 6** · 01-17-2017, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by go bo

2018 sounds like it's far away somehow...

can we keep all our outstanding talent that long and still have some left for a fa or two?

if you could pick for the chiefs in 2018 who would you pick?

Who would I pick for QB in 2018? I have no idea yet

But I'll tell you same as I would tell anyone else... give Nick Foles a full offseason and camp as the starting QB under Reid, and he'd give us a very exciting 2017

Many disagree with that take and I dont give a rats ass, Foles under Reid at this point in both of their careers would be an exciting, and winning brand of football

**RealSNR** · 01-17-2017, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

People get hysterical after a playoff loss. Alex Smith didn't play well yesterday, but there were a lot of reasons we lost besides Alex Smith. Placing the blame entirely on the QB is not rational, it is emotional.

I'm not having this same stupid argument with you about, "It's not ALL Alex's fault."

Alex needed perfection around him to get the job done, because he has so many shortcomings as a starting QB. He didn't get perfection. Why the **** should he? NO ****ING QB gets perfection, or rarely does.

It was a chickenshit gameplan from a chickenshit head coach trying to make the best out of his chickenshit QB. Clark's not going to get rid of the chickenshit head coach. So let's draft a guy, develop him on the bench, and take a ****ing shot with him as soon as he's ready.

You know, like ANY ****ING OTHER TEAM would have done years ago with Alex.

Sweet Daddy Hate · 01-17-2017, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by splatbass

So just do it to do it, regardless of whether it helps the team or not? Throw away a first round pick just so we can say we drafted a 1st round QB? Thankfully Dorsey makes picks based on something other than "everyone else has a first round QB so we should too".

Weak argument.

Roster is balls-deep.

Ergo, no pick wasted.

Discuss Thrower · 01-17-2017, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by RealSNR

Oh THAAAAAAT'S why the Browns are terrible! Four QBs since they re-started their franchise in 1999 have utterly demolished the entire team! I get it now! And here I thought it was all of those cheap free agent and trade QBs that the Browns kept trying to turn into gold like they thought they could find the next Kurt Warner. You know, guys like:

Doug Pederson
Kelly Holcomb
Luke McCown
Jeff Garcia
Trent Dilfer
Jake Delhomme
Seneca Wallace
Jason Campbell
Brian Hoyer
Josh McCown
Robert Griffin III

But nope. FOUR ****ing attempts at QBs. Two of them were exceptionally misguided ones in Weedon and Manziel, where they only people who thought they'd be great pros were the mentally challenged and small children. But nope... the Browns are terrible all because they draft first round QBs!

Similarly, how has KC done with signing or trading for the "best" QB option while taking fliers on late round guys to develop:

Montana: 17-8 regular season starts, 2-2 playoffs, 0-1 AFCCG. 29-16 TDs/INTs 210 yards/game.
- Matt Blundin 1992 2nd Round: never started, 0-1 TDs/INT 7.5 yds/game.

Bono: 21-10 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 37-27 TDs/INTs 175 yds/game
- Steve Matthews 1994 7th Round: never appeared for Kansas City
- Seve Stenstrom 1995 4th Round: never appeared for Kansas City

Grbac: 26-21 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 66-46 TDs/INTs 217 yds/game
- Pat Barnes 1997 4th Round: never made a pass for Kansas City

Green: 48-40 regular season, 0-2 playoffs. 118-85 TDs/INTs 243 yds/game
- James Killian 2005 7th Round: never appeared for Kansas City
- Brodie Croyle 2006 3rd Round: 0-10 regular season, 0-0 playoffs. 8-9 TDs/INTs 92 yds/game

Huard: 10-11 regular season, 0-0 playoffs. 24-18 TDs/INTs 177 yds/game

Cassel: 19-28 regular season, 0-1 playoffs. 59-44 TDs/INTs 198 yds/game
- Ricky Stanzi 2011 5th Round: never appeared for Kansas City.

Smith: 41-21 regular season 1-2 playoffs. 76-28 TDs/INTs 222 yds/game
- Aaron Murray 2014 5th Round: cut and signed by Philadelphia before ever appearing for Kansas City
- Kevin Hogan 2016 5th Round: cut and signed by Cleveland before ever appearing for Kansas City.

The selection number KC typically picks a QB at? 140.

View Poll Results: What's your answer at QB?
I'd throw $90m to $100m at Kirk Cousins.	12	10.08%
Brian Hoyer	0	0%
Mike Glennon	0	0%
Ryan Fitzpatrick	1	0.84%
Geno Smith	3	2.52%
Retain Nick Foles	26	21.85%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get DeShaun Watson.	25	21.01%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get Mitch Tribusky.	8	6.72%
Trade half of the next two drafts to go up and get DeShone Kizer.	8	6.72%
Patrick Mahomes II in round 2.	24	20.17%
Brad Kaaya in Round 3.	3	2.52%
Trade a high pick and/or shell out $$$ for Tony Romo.	6	5.04%
Trade a high pick and/or shell out $$$ for Philip Rivers.	18	15.13%
Cut/trade Alex Smith.	29	24.37%
I don't really know.	30	25.21%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 119. You may not vote on this poll

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Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Alright, so WHO do you replace Alex with? I'm in favor like everybody else on this board (and 85% of the NFL) of upgrading at QB. But there is nobody to do that with. It's easy to say it should be done. Which of these steps are you willing to take? Poll coming.
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