Chiefs Maybe Dee Ford isn't a bust? - Page 8

RunKC · 10-16-2016, 05:05 PM

7.5 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and 2 forced holding calls in 12 starts since Houston got hurt. Not bad #'s from a complimentary rusher, though he does need to be more consistent throughout the game.

I'd still take Carr even after today, but I think the bust label might be too strong for the kid at this point.

RunKC · 10-19-2016, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I get your point.

My point is that he is still the same guy he was two years ago.
He hasn't developed any pass rush skills beyond his initial burst and speed, and if he ever will be anything more than he is now, he has to have more than that single attribute.

Again the tape is not showing this.

Ford is by no means Houston when it comes to the bull rush, but he's gotten stronger and it's shown. The Peters INT happened bc Ford used the bull rush and it forced Carr to move in the pocket.

Here's an inside move he used and forced Carr to flee the pocket in a hurry.

https://twitter.com/realmnchiefsfan/...72117607010305

I'd say that was an effective 2nd move.

Aspengc8 · 10-19-2016, 11:05 AM

Ford has definitely improved since last year. Hali has been playing very well too, so if/when JH comes back it will be a nice rotation.

**BossChief** · 10-19-2016, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I get your point.

My point is that he is still the same guy he was two years ago.
He hasn't developed any pass rush skills beyond his initial burst and speed, and if he ever will be anything more than he is now, he has to have more than that single attribute.

Not at all fair.

I bet if you take all of his starts, he's been one of the best edge guys at getting pressure and sacks during that timeframe.

Apart from that, he was pretty damn good against Oakland. I'm watching the all 22 and he's providing consistent pressure.

LiL stumppy · 10-19-2016, 04:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

I saw that.
He got that quick burst and got around the corner before Penn could get his hands on him and get set.

He will get a few of those, but he hasn't shown any consistency, and his best games have been playing primarily against SD and Oakland backups.

One play against a quality tackle is an aberration.

Slowly backtracking your original statement because it's wrong and not factual. Well done

ThaVirus · 10-19-2016, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LiL stumppy

Slowly backtracking your original statement because it's wrong and not factual. Well done

Hmm. I'm not really seeing a backtrack.

**Easy 6** · 10-19-2016, 04:42 PM

Assuming that Ford hasnt hit his ceiling in 5 games worth of starts, assuming that there is still growth as a football player left in him... I feel MUCH better about him than I did to start the season

He has begun to display the necessary bend to turn the corner and not consistently be ridden out of the picture, and his run defense has definitely improved as well

If he can continue along his current track, we will all be pleasantly surprised with what he looks like toward the end of the regular season

**SAUTO** · 10-19-2016, 04:53 PM

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Originally Posted by ThaVirus

Hmm. I'm not really seeing a backtrack.

Me either, I see a good conversation and people with open minds discussing.

**Rausch** · 10-19-2016, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Assuming that Ford hasnt hit his ceiling in 5 games worth of starts, assuming that there is still growth as a football player left in him... I feel MUCH better about him than I did to start the season

He has begun to display the necessary bend to turn the corner and not consistently be ridden out of the picture, and his run defense has definitely improved as well

If he can continue along his current track, we will all be pleasantly surprised with what he looks like toward the end of the regular season

He might not be flashing all game but he's made 3 game winning plays so far. Closed it out.

I think he'll fill the Hali role fine next year with a healthy Houston...

**Easy 6** · 10-19-2016, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rausch

I think he'll fill the Hali role fine next year with a healthy Houston...

No doubt, Houston back at 100% changes the dynamic of the entire defense

NJChiefsFan · 10-19-2016, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

TBH, the pressure killed the play and thats a terrible play by carr.

I don't think it's even debatable that the pressure killed the play.

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Originally Posted by JASONSAUTO

Me either, I see a good conversation and people with open minds discussing.

And that's why some people(not necessarily lil' stumpy) end up having ridiculous arguments. They are so dead set on making a point and never acknowledging that the other poster can convince them of something. That isn't a weakness.

Nickhead · 11-05-2016, 02:27 AM

i simply think if he spoke like mike tyson, and not michael jackson, we would take him more seriously

seriously though, one never knows if a player will be good unless he gets on the field and is getting reps. he may be taking on the weaker tackles of the opponents. but let him continue. between hali and houston on the other side (dont take ford out, make hali houstons breather), and the interior line. i really don't think we have to worry about the lack of pass rush any time soon.

**jjchieffan** · 11-05-2016, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Nickhead

i simply think if he spoke like mike tyson, and not michael jackson, we would take him more seriously

seriously though, one never knows if a player will be good unless he gets on the field and is getting reps. he may be taking on the weaker tackles of the opponents. but let him continue. between hali and houston on the other side (dont take ford out, make hali houstons breather), and the interior line. i really don't think we have to worry about the lack of pass rush any time soon.

Huh? Mike Tyson doesn't have a tough sounding voice at all. Maybe you should have used George Foreman and Boy George for your reference.

**SAUTO** · 11-05-2016, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Huh? Mike Tyson doesn't have a tough sounding voice at all. Maybe you should have used George Foreman and Boy George for your reference.

Jackson might have sounded tougher than Tyson lol

**jjchieffan** · 11-05-2016, 03:38 PM

So how do we expect him to do this week against the Jags? Sacks come in bunches it seems. Can he get another multi sack game tomorrow? How is the Jax offensive line?

Nickhead · 11-05-2016, 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jjchieffan

Huh? Mike Tyson doesn't have a tough sounding voice at all. Maybe you should have used George Foreman and Boy George for your reference.

the point of reference was that even though tyson didn't sound tough, he would state how he would chew your face off, rather than talk about butterflies and rabbits

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