BREAKING: Nick Foles starting against Jags

[carcosa]

According to Andy Reid's press conference, still ongoing:

https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityC...4631951288373/

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you're back to a single game instead of the 'increased sample size' argument now?

He had a good AYA last week. Smith had a great AYA the two prior weeks and was attacking downfield again this week until his brains were turned to eggs. But really, AYA isn't going to tell you much in a single game because 1 play can really skew it. AYA doesn't give you a good snapshot but it does give you a very good trend. Over large enough numbers, a few dropped passes (or hail mary's that Tyreke Hill and blown coverage bails you out on) even out.

The trends show them to be roughly even in how they attack downfield. And when you look at the actual single game process rather than results (i.e. examine the true depth of target on those throws), you get a very similar outcome.

Foles is extremely unlikely to have any discernible impact on the running game at all.

Alex Smith had more games end of last year where he was better attacking the field. The maddening part about him is he goes in spurts where he's cool with it, then spurts where he's cool with punting.

Alex's first few games was frustrating as hell. Like so many games in his kc career, he waited until he's down two scores to make a move. I've often said when Smith is down two scores, he's actually a decently effective downfield qb. So the question is, can Alex string together a few reasonably aggressive games together in the playoffs. If big Ben or Brady Force a shootout, how quickly will Alex adapt to be aggressive. That's what makes me nervous.

Because while you say he was aggressive for two games, he has a lot of games on a chiefs uniform where he was not. And the overall Aya and air yards support that. Foles didn't prove he's a starter last week and he won't this week. But he was utilizing the receiving talent in ways Alex Smith doesn't, but should. My hope is that Foles does this again and Alex gets a good look. Because if Alex can turn a more aggressive switch on more consistently, this team will be hard to beat. If he approaches games the way he did San Diego, Pittsburgh, and last year in New England where we manage first and wait til the last minute to attack, we aren't going anywhere I'm the playoffs.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Place will be interesting if he shits his pants and the Jags pull it off

**** i got flamed by SNR, BigCatDaddy, pawn and Claynus for mentioning what a loss would do here

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Literally no one was afraid of Manning going deep last year, at all.

In fact I think that's what teams wanted him to do, so they could intercept that shit.

I agree. Luckily they had a historic defense.

Lot of different ways to wins in the post season. Some ways are just less likely.

[ToxSocks]

Originally Posted by ARROW2

Wilson made BIG plays

I think that's exactly what he's saying. Smith doesn't necessarily need to be more aggressive, just make the plays when they're there.

[Chiefnj2]

Jags game might be interesting. KC missing a lot of pieces on O and the Jags will have a brand new OC looking to impress.

[Saccopoo]

Nick Foles can't throw the ball any further than Alex Smith.

And Nick Foles isn't going to bust wide open Reid's offensive system.

If you think he is, you are absolutely delusional.

Reid's system is based on accuracy. Timing on routes. A strict route tree/patterns. Turnover margin. Time of possession.

And it wins football games.

Go ask a Cowboys fan.

Tony Romo versus Dak Prescott.

Ask Jet fans after the KC game how much they love a "gunslinger" type QB.

Foles is not a better QB than Smith and he's not going to be hurling the ball over the field. He's not going to go outside the system and freelance his way all over the field. The system works, and the system wins games.

I was thrilled when they signed Foles for exactly this situation. He's knows the system and is good enough to help keep this team in a couple of games if Smith were to go down with injury.

To keep Smith out of the Jags game and have Foles start is smart. But for the long term interest of the team's playoff success, Smith is, without question, the best option. By a very wide margin.

Alex Smith is a very good NFL QB. Especially for Reid's system. His win/loss record, accuracy %, TD/Int ratio, etc. during his time in KC proves it.

Frankly I'm absolutely stunned that he's been nearly vilified by a certain segment of Chiefs "fans" for being the near perfect QB for Reid's system that has led to winning records every year he's been here including two playoff appearances and a playoff win. The KC Chiefs fans "basket of deplorables" if you will.

[Chiefspants]

Has anyone done a comparison of Foles' first four seasons with Alex's? Inquiring minds would love the breakdown.

[threebag]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Nick Foles can't throw the ball any further than Alex Smith.

And Nick Foles isn't going to bust wide open Reid's offensive system.

If you think he is, you are absolutely delusional.

Reid's system is based on accuracy. Timing on routes. A strict route tree/patterns. Turnover margin. Time of possession.

And it wins football games.

Go ask a Cowboys fan.

Tony Romo versus Dak Prescott.

Ask Jet fans after the KC game how much they love a "gunslinger" type QB.

Foles is not a better QB than Smith and he's not going to be hurling the ball over the field. He's not going to go outside the system and freelance his way all over the field. The system works, and the system wins games.

I was thrilled when they signed Foles for exactly this situation. He's knows the system and is good enough to help keep this team in a couple of games if Smith were to go down with injury.

To keep Smith out of the Jags game and have Foles start is smart. But for the long term interest of the team's playoff success, Smith is, without question, the best option. By a very wide margin.

Alex Smith is a very good NFL QB. Especially for Reid's system. His win/loss record, accuracy %, TD/Int ratio, etc. during his time in KC proves it.

Frankly I'm absolutely stunned that he's been nearly vilified by a certain segment of Chiefs "fans" for being the near perfect QB for Reid's system that has led to winning records every year he's been here including two playoff appearances and a playoff win. The KC Chiefs fans "basket of deplorables" if you will.

This

[Saccopoo]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

DJLN is killin it this football season folks.

[chiefzilla1501]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Nick Foles can't throw the ball any further than Alex Smith.

And Nick Foles isn't going to bust wide open Reid's offensive system.

If you think he is, you are absolutely delusional.

Reid's system is based on accuracy. Timing on routes. A strict route tree/patterns. Turnover margin. Time of possession.

And it wins football games.

Go ask a Cowboys fan.

Tony Romo versus Dak Prescott.

Ask Jet fans after the KC game how much they love a "gunslinger" type QB.

Foles is not a better QB than Smith and he's not going to be hurling the ball over the field. He's not going to go outside the system and freelance his way all over the field. The system works, and the system wins games.

I was thrilled when they signed Foles for exactly this situation. He's knows the system and is good enough to help keep this team in a couple of games if Smith were to go down with injury.

To keep Smith out of the Jags game and have Foles start is smart. But for the long term interest of the team's playoff success, Smith is, without question, the best option. By a very wide margin.

Alex Smith is a very good NFL QB. Especially for Reid's system. His win/loss record, accuracy %, TD/Int ratio, etc. during his time in KC proves it.

Frankly I'm absolutely stunned that he's been nearly vilified by a certain segment of Chiefs "fans" for being the near perfect QB for Reid's system that has led to winning records every year he's been here including two playoff appearances and a playoff win. The KC Chiefs fans "basket of deplorables" if you will.

There have been plenty of QBs in Reids system that weren't afraid to air it out. Again, nobody is saying turn this into an aerial assault. Just be aggressive more often. It isn't just about the system. The throws are often there but Alex checks down to a safer option. Alex is a good qb for Reids system when he attacks enough to open the offense and he's had spurts of games where he does. His conservative approach often works when our defense puts forward a strong performance. Our track record against good offensive opponents is not as great.

Our w/L record may be good. But so was Marty's. The question is if this is sustainable playoff football. I would prefer we not win 4 playoff games this way. We have to adapt when our defense needs the offense, and we can't wait until we're down two scores to create urgency

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

Has Alex not made defenses defend deep in the past few weeks?

He hasn't completed most of them, no one does, but he has certainly taken plenty of 'shots' in the past couple games.

You must COMPLETE them to STRIKE FEAR

[carcosa]

At least we can all agree....

we LOVE the Chiefs!!!!!

[ptlyon]

Originally Posted by Saccopoo

Nick Foles can't throw the ball any further than Alex Smith.

And Nick Foles isn't going to bust wide open Reid's offensive system.

If you think he is, you are absolutely delusional.

Reid's system is based on accuracy. Timing on routes. A strict route tree/patterns. Turnover margin. Time of possession.

And it wins football games.

Go ask a Cowboys fan.

Tony Romo versus Dak Prescott.

Ask Jet fans after the KC game how much they love a "gunslinger" type QB.

Foles is not a better QB than Smith and he's not going to be hurling the ball over the field. He's not going to go outside the system and freelance his way all over the field. The system works, and the system wins games.

I was thrilled when they signed Foles for exactly this situation. He's knows the system and is good enough to help keep this team in a couple of games if Smith were to go down with injury.

To keep Smith out of the Jags game and have Foles start is smart. But for the long term interest of the team's playoff success, Smith is, without question, the best option. By a very wide margin.

Alex Smith is a very good NFL QB. Especially for Reid's system. His win/loss record, accuracy %, TD/Int ratio, etc. during his time in KC proves it.

Frankly I'm absolutely stunned that he's been nearly vilified by a certain segment of Chiefs "fans" for being the near perfect QB for Reid's system that has led to winning records every year he's been here including two playoff appearances and a playoff win. The KC Chiefs fans "basket of deplorables" if you will.

Don't you have some tramp you have to go bang?

[ARROW2]

Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

That team won so he could react w no emotion, mumble about Budweiser, hug Papa John, and ignore his teammates. Joke of a marketing ploy. Nothing to do with his deep ball (lulz) or team.

As a Laker fan, a good analogy is Kobe (Who I hold in MUCH higher regard than Manning). He wasn't what he used to be but he STILL drew double teams, even at his advanced age. Even dropped 60 on the way out, but I digress.

[Hydrae]

Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

There have been plenty of QBs in Reids system that weren't afraid to air it out. Again, nobody is saying turn this into an aerial assault. Just be aggressive more often. It isn't just about the system. The throws are often there but Alex checks down to a safer option. Alex is a good qb for Reids system when he attacks enough to open the offense and he's had spurts of games where he does. His conservative approach often works when our defense puts forward a strong performance. Our track record against good offensive opponents is not as great.

Our w/L record may be good. But so was Marty's. The question is if this is sustainable playoff football. I would prefer we not win 4 playoff games this way. We have to adapt when our defense needs the offense, and we can't wait until we're down two scores to create urgency

Personally I don't give a rat's ass how we win in the post season as long as we keep winning until there are no more games to be won.