BREAKING: Nick Foles starting against Jags

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According to Andy Reid's press conference, still ongoing:

https://www.facebook.com/KansasCityC...4631951288373/

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And all of you idiots must be illiterate.

Read the ****ing article.

The guy's buying you books and you idiots are eating the pages and then patting each other other the back. Militantly ignorant isn't a good look.

That was ****ing awesome, hahahahahahaaaaa!!!!!

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I go by what I see happen with an Arrowhead on the side of the helmet.

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Besides, Smiff may have scrambled eggs for all we know. He could be tentative even when/if he comes back.

[DJ's left nut]

You know what also opens up running lanes? Those bubble screens you fellas hate so much. So do quick hitters out wide.

The entire concept behind the WCO is to keep the middle cleaner by forcing defensive backs to protect all the way to both boundaries. It makes guys crashing the line at risk of washing themselves out of the play entirely when the ball comes out fast to the outside. And if they cheat too close to the line at the LOS, they lose their angle of pursuit the moment the ball is in the air.

The way the Chiefs use the short passing game actually helps us in the running game because all four quadrants of the defensive zone has to be respected. DCs absolutely know this and they operate accordingly. There's a reason the Chiefs have actually been pretty damn successful running the ball since Smith got here and it isn't superior run blocking. Reid's scheme and Smith's operation of same isn't hurting the running game.

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

Nick Foles career AYA (which takes into account depth of target): 7.1
Alex Smith AYA as a Chief: 7.2

I even included your hero's hottest stretch in Philly; the one that really elevated his AYA and is well in his rearview. That sample size of which you speak does NOTHING to indicate that he's going to be backing safeties off more than Smith.

Either you're using a single game or you're ignoring the actual results in favor of picking a 10 game sample in the middle of his career that there is little evidence he's capable of repeating.

Your 'sample size' doesn't support your argument.

Foles AYA was over 10 last week according to ESPN

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Foles AYA was over 10 last week according to ESPN

sample size.. and if Alex's was that high, the haters would simply point to that awful Indy defense that got worse when they lost Vontae Davis.


Foles did very well stepping in. No one would deny that. Most are just saying, way too soon to get carried away.m The hate for Alex is propelling this out of control.

[DJ's left nut]

Originally Posted by jspchief

Foles AYA was over 10 last week according to ESPN

So you're back to a single game instead of the 'increased sample size' argument now?

He had a good AYA last week. Smith had a great AYA the two prior weeks and was attacking downfield again this week until his brains were turned to eggs. But really, AYA isn't going to tell you much in a single game because 1 play can really skew it. AYA doesn't give you a good snapshot but it does give you a very good trend. Over large enough numbers, a few dropped passes (or hail mary's that Tyreke Hill and blown coverage bails you out on) even out.

The trends show them to be roughly even in how they attack downfield. And when you look at the actual single game process rather than results (i.e. examine the true depth of target on those throws), you get a very similar outcome.

Foles is extremely unlikely to have any discernible impact on the running game at all.

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DJLN is killin it this football season folks.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

sample size.. and if Alex's was that high, the haters would simply point to that awful Indy defense that got worse when they lost Vontae Davis.


Foles did very well stepping in. No one would deny that. Most are just saying, way too soon to get carried away.m The hate for Alex is propelling this out of control.

I don't think people actually hate Smith, he's just boring to watch. I don't hate the guy nor do I wish injury on him. I just sit there Sunday watching the same thing over and over. Nothing worse when it's 3rd and 9 he throws 5 yards short. It's been years since we've had a QB that was exciting.

[Reerun_KC]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

sample size.. and if Alex's was that high, the haters would simply point to that awful Indy defense that got worse when they lost Vontae Davis.


Foles did very well stepping in. No one would deny that. Most are just saying, way too soon to get carried away.m The hate for Alex is propelling this out of control.

It's one ****ing game this weekend. This is Alex football team. People are excited to see an opportunity...

Next week. We're back to the new aged wobble launcher....

[In58men]

Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

It's one ****ing game this weekend. This is Alex football team. People are excited to see an opportunity...

Next week. We're back to the new aged wobble launcher....

All of this

[jspchief]

Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

So you're back to a single game instead of the 'increased sample size' argument now?

He had a good AYA last week. Smith had a great AYA the two prior weeks and was attacking downfield again this week until his brains were turned to eggs. But really, AYA isn't going to tell you much in a single game because 1 play can really skew it. AYA doesn't give you a good snapshot but it does give you a very good trend. Over large enough numbers, a few dropped passes (or hail mary's that Tyreke Hill and blown coverage bails you out on) even out.

The trends show them to be roughly even in how they attack downfield. And when you look at the actual single game process rather than results (i.e. examine the true depth of target on those throws), you get a very similar outcome.

Foles is extremely unlikely to have any discernible impact on the running game at all.

Here's my viewpoint on this. You can certainly call it cherry picking, but it's my opinion on the topic of Foles. His play in STL was the outlier. That Oline was terrible and the team was terrible on the offensive side of the ball. Gurley had to put up a herculean performance after contact to accomplish what he did.

And like I said in my first response, this goes beyond just Nick Foles. It's the larger discussion about Smith. Teams aren't threatened by his deep ball. And the Chiefs fans around here want to see more deep throws, not because "fantasy football" but because of the belief that it will open up all of the short game, not just the running game. If you disagree, that's fine. It doesn't change the fact that the people that respond with "hurr durr fantasy football" or think it's just about sexy plays are completely missing the point, probably intentionally.

[Sandy Vagina]

Originally Posted by Inmem58

I don't think people actually hate Smith, he's just boring to watch. I don't hate the guy nor do I wish injury on him. I just sit there Sunday watching the same thing over and over. Nothing worse when it's 3rd and 9 he throws 5 yards short. It's been years since we've had a QB that was exciting.

Yeah, I don't often mean hate as in true hate. I know where you are at with this, and I do get it. His style of play is rarely exciting.. but if it produces a high win %, I think it's obnoxious to be disgruntled over it.

[In58men]

Originally Posted by Sandy Cheeks

Yeah, I don't often mean hate as in true hate. I know where you are at with this, and I do get it. His style of play is rarely exciting.. but if it produces a high win %, I think it's obnoxious to be disgruntled over it.

Smith is a good QB no doubt about it, but don't you get a little uneasy knowing he's our QB come playoff time? I just know we won't put up points with Smith at QB. We don't know what Foles can do in this system. It's just exciting to see what he can bring that Alex doesn't, if it's anything at all.

[Reerun_KC]

Alex Smith is Damon Huard 2.0


Same arguments here about Smith as there were with Huard...