Chiefs Is it time to start Foles over Smith? - Page 78

Deberg_1990 · 09-11-2016, 12:32 PM

Pathetic.

He's played poorly today

Thoughts?

Beef Supreme · 10-31-2016, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

I love how the folks that can't give Smith credit for anything want to ignore the fact that playing a glorified 7 on 7 game is right in Foles' wheelhouse.

You really think that throwing balls late over the middle is a good idea against a team with any kind of secondary? Or that guys are just going to forget to pass off a simple go route from the primary read when they have any talent back there to speak of?

He did a fine job but again, you don't analyse results to predict future performance; you analyse process. Foles did some things that he wouldn't get away with against decent teams and that has to be remembered because not doing those things is pretty much the one real strength that Smith has.

If you want a fair discussion of the two, you have to also recognize the degree of difficulty.

Foles isn't Aaron Rodgers. No shit. And I don't dismiss what Alex Smith brings to this team. Foles did some things that might get him in trouble vs a good defense. Smith does a lot of things that get him in trouble vs a team with a good offense.

Smith has very limited ability to move in the pocket and still make a throw. He can't throw on the run for shit. He is a one read, check down qb and doesn't even throw to wide open guys even on the first read because he is so froggy to get to that check down. He is more likely to have a game like the one in Pitt a few weeks ago than he is to have a really good game. He is consistent. Consistently mediocre.

I'd take my chances with Foles. But we all know that ain't going to happen, because we like to stick with our shitty QBs until someone floats a banner and we go 2-14. So I just bitch on Chiefs Planet.

DJ's left nut · 10-31-2016, 02:42 PM

And how quickly we forget those 2-14 years...

Smith's one of the key differences between that team and the team that's winning 10/season, y'know...

oaklandhater · 10-31-2016, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And how quickly we forget those 2-14 years...

Smith's one of the key differences between that team and the team that's winning 10/season, y'know...

Just because we went from the Flaming pile of trash Cassel to meh Smith doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to get better on offense.

Beef Supreme · 10-31-2016, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And how quickly we forget those 2-14 years...

Smith's one of the key differences between that team and the team that's winning 10/season, y'know...

And I appreciate that he has stabilized the position from what was once a sack of flaming AIDS. But he should never have been more than a stop gap.

DJ's left nut · 10-31-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by oaklandhater

Just because we went from the Flaming pile of trash Cassel to meh Smith doesn't mean we shouldn't keep trying to get better on offense.

No doubt.

I just don't think Foles is better. He's different, but he's the wrong kind of different for this team.

I fully endorsed taking a shot at Bridgewater or Lynch. I think we should constantly be looking to improve our QB situation.

I just don't think Foles improves it. He changes it, but not in a way that benefits this team as presently constructed.

Chiefspants · 10-31-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

And how quickly we forget those 2-14 years...

Smith's one of the key differences between that team and the team that's winning 10/season, y'know...

Your takes are radically different here than say, your position on the 2015 Cardinals. 100 game winners, and smashed in the postseason by a more talented Cubs team.

Chiefspants · 10-31-2016, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No doubt.

I just don't think Foles is better. He's different, but he's the wrong kind of different for this team.

I fully endorsed taking a shot at Bridgewater or Lynch. I think we should constantly be looking to improve our QB situation.

I just don't think Foles improves it. He changes it, but not in a way that benefits this team as presently constructed.

Gotcha. That makes sense.

**Ming the Merciless** · 10-31-2016, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerUppercut

You need to watch more football before making inane statements

its really not that inane

smith has an 11 year history of being around (or just under) 200 yards per game

foles was closer to 250 (around 240?) with Philly

he had a terribad 10 or so games with the Lambs so:

You can discount the roughly 1/2 a season with the

or throw it in there, and either way its around 30-50 yards per game MORE than smith...

If you just look at the yards from the Phi games (similar to this offense?) and compare to JUST alex's best years in this system and ignore his 7 years in sf @ 175 yards a game and ONLY count his 4 years here with 220 yards per game...Foles STILL beats him in YPG.

DJ's left nut · 10-31-2016, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by BigChiefTablet

And I appreciate that he has stabilized the position from what was once a sack of flaming AIDS. But he should never have been more than a stop gap.

We've missed on one guy over the last 4 years that would've been a guy I'd prefer to Smith and that's Carr. And frankly, I'm not convinced that Carr isn't a rich man's Foles right now; we'll see how he handles the bright lights. He's gotten his ass handed to him by a handful of good defenses to this point in his career and he's not actually been asked to win a game that matters.

That said, I do think in the near future he'll be preferable to Smith and I said that before the season started. But shit...how hard to you want to be on the organization for missing one guy? I think if Reid and crew see the right player at the right spot, they'll look to upgrade on Smith but it's hard to say at this point that they aren't interested.

**The Franchise** · 10-31-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Pawnmower

its really not that inane

smith has an 11 year history of being around (or just under) 200 yards per game

foles was closer to 250 (around 240?) with Philly

he had a terribad 10 or so games with the Lambs so:

You can discount the roughly 1/2 a season with the

or throw it in there, and either way its around 30-50 yards per game MORE than smith...

If you just look at the yards from the Phi games (similar to this offense?) and compare to JUST alex's best years in this system and ignore his 7 years in sf @ 175 yards a game and ONLY count his 4 years here with 220 yards per game...Foles STILL beats him in YPG.

WINS ARE ALL THAT MATTERS!!!!111!11!1 / blackbob

oaklandhater · 10-31-2016, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No doubt.

I just don't think Foles is better. He's different, but he's the wrong kind of different for this team.

I fully endorsed taking a shot at Bridgewater or Lynch. I think we should constantly be looking to improve our QB situation.

I just don't think Foles improves it. He changes it, but not in a way that benefits this team as presently constructed.

I think in the end there around the same in wins vs losses but you cant deny that one is a hella of a'lot cheaper and funner to watch.

**Easy 6** · 10-31-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

No doubt.

I just don't think Foles is better. He's different, but he's the wrong kind of different for this team.

I fully endorsed taking a shot at Bridgewater or Lynch. I think we should constantly be looking to improve our QB situation.

I just don't think Foles improves it. He changes it, but not in a way that benefits this team as presently constructed.

Theres just no way I can buy this

Foles may not be all around better, but to say his style is some kind of bad fit?

Plus arm talent and a willingness to use it, is a good fit in any scheme, on any team

**Bob Dole** · 10-31-2016, 02:55 PM

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Originally Posted by DJ's left nut

We've missed on one guy over the last 4 years that would've been a guy I'd prefer to Smith and that's Carr. And frankly, I'm not convinced that Carr isn't a rich man's Foles right now; we'll see how he handles the bright lights. He's gotten his ass handed to him by a handful of good defenses to this point in his career and he's not actually been asked to win a game that matters.

That said, I do think in the near future he'll be preferable to Smith and I said that before the season started. But shit...how hard to you want to be on the organization for missing one guy? I think if Reid and crew see the right player at the right spot, they'll look to upgrade on Smith but it's hard to say at this point that they aren't interested.

Doesn't matter how many misses to most of these tards. They'd be perfectly happy burning a first round pick every year of someone, ANYONE who isn't Alex Smith.

RunKC · 10-31-2016, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Theres just no way I can buy this

Foles may not be all around better, but to say his style is some kind of bad fit?

Plus arm talent and a willingness to use it, is a good fit in any scheme, on any team

His problem is his accuracy in the short/intermediate passes and awareness. Those are 2 things Alex has on him right now.

Hammock Parties · 10-31-2016, 02:56 PM

Comparing offensive numbers from yesterday....

Snaps with Foles:

45 plays, 265 yards, 20 points

5.8 yards per play, 2.86 points per drive (not counting first drive since those points are Alex's)

Third downs: 6-12

Plays over 15 yards: 7

Snaps with Smith:

26 plays, 141 yards, 10 points,

5.42 yards per play, 2.5 points per drive (not counting last drive, since those points are Foles).

Third downs: 3-6

Plays over 15 yards: 3

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Hammock Parties I'll be back. Join Date: Nov 2002 Casino cash: $1040478	Comparing offensive numbers from yesterday.... Snaps with Foles: 45 plays, 265 yards, 20 points 5.8 yards per play, 2.86 points per drive (not counting first drive since those points are Alex's) Third downs: 6-12 Plays over 15 yards: 7 Snaps with Smith: 26 plays, 141 yards, 10 points, 5.42 yards per play, 2.5 points per drive (not counting last drive, since those points are Foles). Third downs: 3-6 Plays over 15 yards: 3 __________________ Chiefs game films
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