Who's your dark horse?

[staylor26]

We all know Dorsey is full of surprises on draft day. Why should this year be any different?

T.J. Green, CB/S, Clemson- 6'2" with a 4.34 40. Former WR (very good ball skills). This guy screams Dorsey to me. Flashed in man coverage, but he's only played safety. Was a physical player at the safety position, so with his athletic ability he is a very intriguing potential press man convert. Green Bay made a similar move (safety to corner convert) with Randle last year and the Eagles did it with Rowe (though he had a year of experience in college at corner). He also "models his games after Eric Berry".

Daniel Jeremiah says his buddies in the scouting community tell him Green has a good shot at going at the end of the 1st to a press man team that views him as a corner.

HM: Cody Whitehair, Artie Burns (not as much of a "dark horse" now).

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by staylor26

That's bullshit. Your entire assessment of Alexander is so strange. You also said he would fit best in a zone scheme.

Then again, you also said Hargreaves was overratted, so maybe you have a bias against guys on the smaller side. Or maybe you just suck at evaluating CB's.

At least RunKC's issues with Alexander are the normal complaints.

Its not bullshit. He does it all the time. Watch his games. He's got to clean the contact up down field or he's ****ed in the NFL.

I'd take Kalan Reed before Alexander in this scheme and I have Reed rated as a 2nd rounder.

[RunKC]

Robert Nkemdiche is probably the biggest dark horse. Yes he seems off the rails, but everybody thought Peters was that guy last year. Kicked off the team, huge temper, couldn't work with others, etc. It scared me last year bc we heard the same thing about Baldwin in 2011 and it burned us.

There's no denying Nkemdiche is a top 10 talent. Dude is super fast off the line and everyone he played had to double him constantly.

I wonder if Dorsey has sent Ballard to Mississippi yet..

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by RunKC

Robert Nkemdiche is probably the biggest dark horse. Yes he seems off the rails, but everybody thought Peters was that guy last year. Kicked off the team, huge temper, couldn't work with others, etc. It scared me last year bc we heard the same thing about Baldwin in 2011 and it burned us.

There's no denying Nkemdiche is a top 10 talent. Dude is super fast off the line and everyone he played had to double him constantly.

I wonder if Dorsey has sent Ballard to Mississippi yet..

Totally different issues with this cat. This dude jumps out of windows because he is high and has ties to some shady people. As soon as this guy gets paid, lookout.

With the DL depth this year, Nkemdiche is off my board....

[The Franchise]

Peters situation is nothing like that dipshits. Peters didn't throw his teammates under the bus. He owned up to it and said that he could understand why he was kicked off and that he didn't blame his coach.

[kccrow]

Going to add one maybe people don't expect to fall, but I do. Corey Coleman. Some insane talent at D-line and some expected moving and shaking in the first round could push several receivers down further than expected.

[RunKC]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Going to add one maybe people don't expect to fall, but I do. Corey Coleman. Some insane talent at D-line and some expected moving and shaking in the first round could push several receivers down further than expected.

This is definitely a possibility, but how much would a first round WR play with Maclin, Conley, Streater and Andy's favorite (Wilson) ahead of him as well as WR's never doing much year 1 of Andy's system?

[Chief Northman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Going to add one maybe people don't expect to fall, but I do. Corey Coleman. Some insane talent at D-line and some expected moving and shaking in the first round could push several receivers down further than expected.

I think the receiver run starts with Houston at 22 and arguably Washington and maybe Indy nab the first receiver off the board. Minny and Cincy have needs at WR so I could see the likes of Treadwell, Fuller, Doctson and Coleman all being gone by pick 24/25.

I actually think it is the DL talent which will drop along with some linebackers. There are some enigmas with regards to scheme fit and some guys are tough evaluations:
Ragland, Floyd, Lawson, Nkemdiche, Lee, Robinson and Reed could arguably land anywhere from pick 9 to pick 45.....

[kccrow]

Originally Posted by RunKC

This is definitely a possibility, but how much would a first round WR play with Maclin, Conley, Streater and Andy's favorite (Wilson) ahead of him as well as WR's never doing much year 1 of Andy's system?

If you want my honest opinion, I think Conley is the only one worth talking about.

Wilson, while a nice story, is mediocre. He would function ok as a slot, but he's not a guy I think is going to get all that much better than he is right now. He is what he is. He's not a play-maker, he hasn't shown that ability. He can get some catches in this league and he's worth a roster spot. I don't think he should be starting by any means, especially on the outside. I wish he had something as a returner. I think he's a quality #4.

Rod Streater, he's a stop-gap. I wanted the Chiefs to pick him up because he has shown that ability in the past to be a #2 in this league. He's on a 1-year deal. He had some problems the past couple of years. I don't know if he will ever be the same player. I don't think you head into a draft counting on that.

Conley is interesting to me. I think his ceiling is a #2, but he has to develop. He didn't do much as a rookie. At this point, he's another #4 guy. He's a guy that can go deep, he can be a player in the red zone, but he hasn't made an impact on the outside as a starter in regular sets. I want more from this kid, he's got the athletic ability and pretty solid hands. Even if I think Conley develops as a #2, that doesn't preclude taking Coleman in round 1.

Andy Reid likes an explosive offense. Explosive offenses, they all have that quality slot. I'm not talking about just a good player, I'm talking about a slot receiver that leads the team in receptions or is at least in second place. You look at Green Bay with the ascent of Randall Cobb, you look at the Emmanuel Sanders, and so on. If you can make your offense that much more dynamic, as a playoff caliber team, then why not do it?

This isn't a team with "needs" as much as it is one with opportunities to strengthen units. The Chiefs have 3 corners that can step in day 1 and play. The Chiefs pretty much have a day 1 ready defense. The biggest hole is maybe at OG, so do you take Cody Whitehair in one? Or, do you make yourself more explosive as a team and worry about guard later?

That's kind of the deal with WR early, be more explosive offensively and quit trying to be "just good enough." We saw what "just good enough" got the Chiefs. The Patriots acquired a top-level tight end even though they already had one, they made themselves more dynamic. You never stop trying to make a team better.

For all the arguments for a CB in round 1 from this board, it sure gets stupid around here about WRs. You have Peters, Gaines, and Nelson at CB. How is that worse than Maclin, Wilson, Conley at WR? The truth is, it isn't. Just as much as a 1st round CB can make the defensive backfield better, so too can a WR make that group better. Neither group needs a starter, but a better option than currently in place strengthens the unit.


Now with regards to a run on receivers in the 20's, that's debatable. The quality of defensive lineman and the moves I expect to be made for corners in that range trumps the quality of receivers. We'll see how that plays out. I'm just saying that it is very possible that those are the reasons a player like Coleman drops to the Chiefs at 28.

[O.city]

Wilson has had a few missed big plays, but he's also had some big catches and has shown to be a good RAC wr in this system. I think you're a little low on him, think he has a good year this year.

I think he needs to be in the slot and in the DAT role a little more though. Conley or whoever else they add, needs to become the 2 outside. I'd think Conley is the heir apparent with what they had in Philly with Desean and Maclin. Maclin at the Z with Conley at the X running those deep posts and deep routes seems nice.

But I do think crow is on to something. They're ok for the most part for starters, but they need to look at areas they can upgrade. Unless one of the big corners fall to them or they trade up for one, I'd start looking purely BPA in the first.

They've got multiple picks to fill some holes later in the draft, they can swing for a guy early.

[O.city]

So while Coleman is a good idea, I'd counter that Braxton MIller could come in and play that slot/Edelman type role and be really successful for the Chiefs from day 1.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by kccrow

Andy Reid likes an explosive offense. Explosive offenses, they all have that quality slot. I'm not talking about just a good player, I'm talking about a slot receiver that leads the team in receptions or is at least in second place. You look at Green Bay with the ascent of Randall Cobb, you look at the Emmanuel Sanders, and so on. If you can make your offense that much more dynamic, as a playoff caliber team, then why not do it?

This isn't a team with "needs" as much as it is one with opportunities to strengthen units. The Chiefs have 3 corners that can step in day 1 and play. The Chiefs pretty much have a day 1 ready defense. The biggest hole is maybe at OG, so do you take Cody Whitehair in one? Or, do you make yourself more explosive as a team and worry about guard later?

That's kind of the deal with WR early, be more explosive offensively and quit trying to be "just good enough." We saw what "just good enough" got the Chiefs. The Patriots acquired a top-level tight end even though they already had one, they made themselves more dynamic. You never stop trying to make a team better.

For all the arguments for a CB in round 1 from this board, it sure gets stupid around here about WRs. You have Peters, Gaines, and Nelson at CB. How is that worse than Maclin, Wilson, Conley at WR? The truth is, it isn't. Just as much as a 1st round CB can make the defensive backfield better, so too can a WR make that group better. Neither group needs a starter, but a better option than currently in place strengthens the unit.

While I think Alex Smith has improved as a QB who looks downfield, as long as he's the QB, this offense will not be explosive.
If you're investing draft resources to improve the offense, I'd start at O-Line to improve protection, which would improve efficiency, which is Smith's strength.

This team is going to win with an offense that supports the defense.

That is why improving the quality of corners is more imperative than reciever, IMO.

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

While I think Alex Smith has improved as a QB who looks downfield, as long as he's the QB, this offense will not be explosive.
If you're investing draft resources to improve the offense, I'd start at O-Line to improve protection, which would improve efficiency, which is Smith's strength.

This team is going to win with an offense that supports the defense.

That is why improving the quality of corners is more imperative than reciever, IMO.

They did upgrade the OL with a RT, but if theyr'e gonna do anything in the playoffs, they need to be more explosive.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

They did upgrade the OL with a RT, but if theyr'e gonna do anything in the playoffs, they need to be more explosive.

You mean like the Broncos?

[O.city]

Originally Posted by milkman

You mean like the Broncos?

Exception, not the rule.

Well rounded teams win.

[milkman]

Originally Posted by O.city

Exception, not the rule.

Well rounded teams win.

The Patriots weren't explosive, in any of their wins..
The Seahawks weren't explosive.
Neither were the Giants in any of their wins.
Neither were the Steelers in their first win with Roethlisberger.

They well rounded, but with defense and efficient offense.