Let's have a discussion about 2017.

[BossChief]

As it currently sits, KC sits with 24m in cap space (according to overthecap and that doesn't include Ware/Wests deals) without Fisher, Poe or Berry under contract.

The team needs to either pick up Fishers 11.9m option (for 2017) by May 2nd iirc or decide to let him walk.

Fletcher Cox is turning down a 100m deal with 60 guaranteed...that impacts any negotiation KC is having with Poe...not sure how much, though.

I'd love to be a fly on the wall during the negotiations with Berry, too. Not too many safeties getting crazy money. I wonder what Berrys side is asking for and using as their leverage.

Eric Fisher is improving, but 12m is a lot of money.

Some big changes are on the horizon and I wouldn't be surprised if KC loses 1 or 2 of those guys.

[TigeRRUppeRRcut]

Originally Posted by RunKC

I can't believe this hasn't been brought up yet. Overthecap predicts we get 4 comp picks next year from the contracts of guys lost.

3.-->Sean Smith
4.-->Chase Daniel
6.-->Donald Stephenson
6.-->Tyvonn Branch
*Jeff Allen cancelled out by Mitchell Schwartz deal

It's gonna be fun as hell having 11 picks next year in the first year you can trade comp picks.

And the Niners have 14 this year. They would make great trade partners to balance the # across both years

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

Poe is going to want huge money.

10m+ per

probably pushing towards 15

Keeping Howard was a big time move.

If Dorsey drafts interior DL this year(good year for it) then he is covering his ass for possibly losing Poe.

According to OTC Howard has the highest avg per year salary of all 3-4 DT at $5M per meanwhile Poe has been averaging $2.8M per year.
I think $15M per is way on out there in being reasonable. There are only a 4 or 5 guys in the league that make that or more and they are DE or 4-3 DT.
I think the most he could be looking at is what Malik Jackson just got from the Jags and that is really too much IMO.

[Mr. Flopnuts]

Originally Posted by BossChief

I still feel Berry owes this franchise to negotiate a somewhat team friendly deal.

They paid him over 5m they didn't have to while on NFI...that wasn't a "business move"...that was a "we care about Eric Berry" move.

The absolute least that should get KC is good will.

I'd really like to know where the 2 sides are..

Yeah. I'm a little hot under the collar that he's being tagged this year. That dude should've absolutely been signed to a long term deal. He got his money while going through chemo. Come on, now.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by BossChief

Tag amount for him will be over 14m and then 17 the second time.

In all honesty, it would be smart to try to trade him this offseason, if we can.

His value is pretty damn high

Originally Posted by BossChief

Poe is the premier NT in the league and is a hell of a player, but I don't see him as a 14m per kinda impact player.

If we could get a first and third for him in this draft, id take it.

Move Howard to NT.

Draft a couple new DL in this draft on cheap contracts and use that money to bolster the lineup.

The back issues worry me when you look at how many snaps he's played.
He isn't exactly a sack monster
Until this year, he wasn't a very good run defender.

No way id give him 15m per on a long term deal.

Yeah sure lets trade away Poe. While we are at it we should go ahead and trade Charles to the Patriots. Then if Lynch is there when we draft in the first, just go ahead and call Jerry Jones up and trade him Aaron Murray.

[Chief Roundup]

Originally Posted by mcaj22

7 million though with no cap hit is awfully tempting if it means to lock up younger, better players.

We almost get like 15 million just by cutting Charles, Colquitt and Mauga alone without much dead money. That is basically almost 2 of Poe, Fisher, Berry. That just seems like a no brainer to me.

When your team is predicated on defense the punter is a little more important and all that but Colquitts cap numbers need to be brought back into line a little bit.

[O.city]

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/9-franc...200000826.html

[pugsnotdrugs19]

Originally Posted by O.city

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/9-franc...200000826.html

From this article ----->

"Denver thinks two in particular were overpaid: Miami Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh (who's making over $19 million per year) and Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Justin Houston (who signed a six-year $101 million deal last offseason). That viewpoint could end up being a problem because those deals impact how Denver sees Miller's next contract. Particularly the Suh deal, since Miller has ascended to rarified air among his NFL peers. Multiple league sources have spelled it out at this stage: The Broncos want to slot Miller ahead of Houston, but below Suh, somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 million per season."

Just can't see how anyone could justify Houston as being overpaid coming off of a 22 sack season, where he was the #1 reason for having the #2 pass defense in the league in 2014. Suh, sure. He never produced at a level to warrant 19M per year. Of course, if things were perfect, Watt's contract would have set the ceiling. But even then, I'm sorry, call me a homer if you want, but the stats support what I believe. Hell, if his 2014 wasn't enough, how about being 2nd in the NFL in QB pressures last year in only 10 1/2 games? Houston is the best edge rusher in the entire NFL, and if he gets the chance to show it come playoff time, the debate will cease to exist.

[staylor26]

Originally Posted by pugsnotdrugs19

From this article ----->

"Denver thinks two in particular were overpaid: Miami Dolphins defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh (who's making over $19 million per year) and Kansas City Chiefs outside linebacker Justin Houston (who signed a six-year $101 million deal last offseason). That viewpoint could end up being a problem because those deals impact how Denver sees Miller's next contract. Particularly the Suh deal, since Miller has ascended to rarified air among his NFL peers. Multiple league sources have spelled it out at this stage: The Broncos want to slot Miller ahead of Houston, but below Suh, somewhere in the neighborhood of $18 million per season."

Just can't see how anyone could justify Houston as being overpaid coming off of a 22 sack season, where he was the #1 reason for having the #2 pass defense in the league in 2014. Suh, sure. He never produced at a level to warrant 19M per year. Of course, if things were perfect, Watt's contract would have set the ceiling. But even then, I'm sorry, call me a homer if you want, but the stats support what I believe. Hell, if his 2014 wasn't enough, how about being 2nd in the NFL in QB pressures last year in only 10 1/2 games? Houston is the best edge rusher in the entire NFL, and if he gets the chance to show it come playoff time, the debate will cease to exist.

The irony is we got Houston for a bargain compared to what the Broncos are going to pay Miller.