Chiefs Bob Sutton exposed by Louis Riddick as the problem behind the Chiefs defense - Page 4

pugsnotdrugs19 · 10-01-2015, 04:20 PM

Fewer and fewer defenses even give themselves a chance vs today's good passing attacks.
— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015

Did the #Chiefs think they had Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, and Deron Cherry playing vs Rodgers Monday? Same single high coverage EVERY SNAP!
— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015

They were hung out to dry. If Rodgers knows what u r doing pre-snap every time, & u r short handed, it is over. https://t.co/YEEJyR5p8P
— Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015

Yikes. If there were any questions before, now we know. Just embarrassing to read.

Reerun_KC · 10-01-2015, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

I would really like to know what sutton's rationale is for some of his defensive calls.

So would buttons. Your guess is as good as his...

Brock · 10-01-2015, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Would you like to know about one of the two base sets with a single high safety and strong side press (36 of every 37 plays), or that one where he blitzes two DBs from the back side (1 of every 37 plays)?

Those are good. But specifically for example, you're getting to peyton manning. Manning is getting sacked! It used to be hard to do, but your guys are beating him up, which is the recipe for making him **** up. Why call off the dogs? Why sitback and let him pick you apart, particularly when you've got an outmatched kid out there in the secondary? It just boggles the mind.

Mr. Laz · 10-01-2015, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

It's not just Sutton. The coaching staff makes no adjustments on offense either, based on what's working or what isn't. They just stick to the plan, even when it's foundering.

Yep, so what hope do Chiefs fan really have?

Sean Smith can come back from suspension. The Oline can gain experience and gel. Young players can get better.

But ........ Coaches never really change, Chiefs fans should know all about that.

*marty*cough*marty*

Reid isn't going to change, isn't going to learn how to manage the clock or stick to the run or adjust.

Sutton adjusted from year 1 to year 2 but as yet to adjust during the season, let alone adjust IN a game.

People are crying about Alex Smith ... coaching problems are worse.

Mr. Laz · 10-01-2015, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Would you like to know about one of the two base sets with a single high safety and strong side press (36 of every 37 plays), or that one where he blitzes two DBs from the back side (1 of every 37 plays)?

He did that DB blitz successfully against Denver and Green Bay.

one time in each game ... ONCE!

countdown until Reid runs a draw to start a 2 minute drill again .........

kccrow · 10-01-2015, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Brock

Those are good. But specifically for example, you're getting to peyton manning. Manning is getting sacked! It used to be hard to do, but your guys are beating him up, which is the recipe for making him **** up. Why call off the dogs? Why sitback and let him pick you apart, particularly when you've got an outmatched kid out there in the secondary? It just boggles the mind.

Your guess is as good as mine. Likewise, why stick with a corner that is getting burnt like toast the entire game (Fleming/Cooper)? I mean, make a change and see if it helps. Why didn't they pull Ron Parker down to corner and put Abdullah in the single high? Why the **** isn't Nelson active when you're short at corner as it is, and the two you have active are sucking sack? Why run a 3-4 if you can't blitz in multiple ways using all 4 LBs? They blitz Mauga about never and DJ maybe once or twice a game.

Questions like that make me wonder if Sutton is cut of for being a DC in this league.

kccrow · 10-01-2015, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

He did that DB blitz successfully against Denver and Green Bay.

one time in each game ... ONCE!

countdown until Reid runs a draw to start a 2 minute drill again .........

Because the real DC in New York was Rex, and every now and again Sutton has an epiphany where he's like, "oh yeah Rex used to do this." Of course, he forgets about it again and moves forward with his base or nickle base set.

xztop123 · 10-01-2015, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

Because the real DC in New York was Rex, and every now and again Sutton has an epiphany where he's like, "oh yeah Rex used to do this." Of course, he forgets about it again and moves forward with his base or nickle base set.

haha

Marcellus · 10-01-2015, 07:37 PM

Flemming was a starter the first 2 weeks of the season, albeit not good. But it was better to have Branch, a safety playing CB, get torched over and over and over after Gaines got hurt than to play Flemming?

The whole game was a giant WTF moment on both sides of the ball.

RunKC · 10-01-2015, 07:43 PM

**** Sutton for keeping Mauga. That guy is Terrible

Psyko Tek · 10-01-2015, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Pasta Giant Meatball

Yet if not for our pathetic offense, they struggle to score 24.

dude, rodgers wasn't trying, they were using us as their personal practice squad

ToxSocks · 10-01-2015, 07:49 PM

It seems to me that the defense is getting caught in specific coverages and then opposing offenses are going no huddle and exploiting it. Both Manning and Rodgers had a lot of success going no huddle. Perhaps that's affecting their ability to adjust? We saw how late Howard was getting off the field....twice....it's possibly a coaching issue with late subs causing that problem.

Eleazar · 10-01-2015, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr. Laz

But ........ Coaches never really change, Chiefs fans should know all about that.

...

People are crying about Alex Smith ... coaching problems are worse.

It's not like Alex Smith has done well with what he's been given so far this year, but the coaching staff is not putting anyone in a position to succeed, least of all him.

It's not an excuse for him, he's responsible for his own play, it's just a statement of fact. They aren't putting Alex Smith in a position to succeed. They aren't putting Jamaal Charles in a position to succeed. They aren't putting anyone in a position to succeed with their stubbornness and their unwillingness to react to the game situation.

I don't know where we go from here. Reid isn't getting fired. Alex Smith is probably not going anywhere this year, unless he completely tanks.

All we can hope for is for the team to gel, for Reid to open up the offense, or for Reid or Hunt to wake up and say that someone else needs to call the plays.

splatbass · 10-01-2015, 08:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

It's not just Sutton. The coaching staff makes no adjustments on offense either, based on what's working or what isn't. They just stick to the plan, even when it's foundering.

I don't know about that. They tried running a lot in the first quarter, but abandoned it when it wasn't working. I think that is the wrong adjustment - you need to keep trying and eventually the D will wear down and you will start making some gains - but it is an adjustment.

Coogs · 10-01-2015, 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

It's not like Alex Smith has done well with what he's been given so far this year, but the coaching staff is not putting anyone in a position to succeed, least of all him.

It's not an excuse for him, he's responsible for his own play, it's just a statement of fact. They aren't putting Alex Smith in a position to succeed. They aren't putting Jamaal Charles in a position to succeed. They aren't putting anyone in a position to succeed with their stubbornness and their unwillingness to react to the game situation.

I don't know where we go from here. Reid isn't getting fired. Alex Smith is probably not going anywhere this year, unless he completely tanks.

All we can hope for is for the team to gel, for Reid to open up the offense, or for Reid or Hunt to wake up and say that someone else needs to call the plays.

I know this is a Bob Sutton thread, but I want to comment on your second paragraph. We saw the same Alex Smith pretty much all of last season. We saw the same Alex Smith in this pre-season. And, we have all seen Chase Daniel come in... especially this pre-season... and ignite this very same offense. Offensive line looks better with Daniel. Receivers look better with Daniel. Whole damn team looked better with Daniel.

Chase freaking Daniel. Let that soak in for a minute!

Time to move on from Alex Smith. And yes, I was on the Smith bandwagon. Got off mid to late last year.

mcaj22 · 10-01-2015, 09:02 PM

Sutton is going to come out in that same awful single high coverage all game against the Bengals like he did Denver and Green Bay because apparently he doesn't know anything else and AJ Green is going to roast the secondary all game and Sutton won't do a thing about it to help the secondary.

It's sad at this point. Horrible predictable defensive coordinator. Fire him.

10-01-2015, 04:20 PM
pugsnotdrugs19 SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONS Join Date: Aug 2013 Casino cash: $6649447	Bob Sutton exposed by Louis Riddick as the problem behind the Chiefs defense Fewer and fewer defenses even give themselves a chance vs today's good passing attacks. — Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015 Did the #Chiefs think they had Albert Lewis, Kevin Ross, and Deron Cherry playing vs Rodgers Monday? Same single high coverage EVERY SNAP! — Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015 They were hung out to dry. If Rodgers knows what u r doing pre-snap every time, & u r short handed, it is over. https://t.co/YEEJyR5p8P — Louis Riddick (@LRiddickESPN) October 1, 2015 Yikes. If there were any questions before, now we know. Just embarrassing to read.
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10-01-2015, 07:37 PM	#53
Marcellus Diablo Negro Join Date: Sep 2003 Casino cash: $-287338	Flemming was a starter the first 2 weeks of the season, albeit not good. But it was better to have Branch, a safety playing CB, get torched over and over and over after Gaines got hurt than to play Flemming? The whole game was a giant WTF moment on both sides of the ball.
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10-01-2015, 07:43 PM	#54
RunKC Andy Reid Supporter Join Date: Apr 2012 Casino cash: $-1390389	** Sutton for keeping Mauga. That guy is Terrible __________________ Mike Greenberg@Espngreeny I can’t fathom what it must be like to be a fan of the #Chiefs. Adopt a Chief: Jared Wiley**
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ToxSocks Needs more middle fingers Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego Casino cash: $2143063	It seems to me that the defense is getting caught in specific coverages and then opposing offenses are going no huddle and exploiting it. Both Manning and Rodgers had a lot of success going no huddle. Perhaps that's affecting their ability to adjust? We saw how late Howard was getting off the field....twice....it's possibly a coaching issue with late subs causing that problem. __________________ Life is like a dick. Sometimes it gets hard for no reason, but it can't stay hard forever.
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10-01-2015, 09:02 PM	#60
mcaj22 MVP Join Date: Feb 2010 Casino cash: $10014454	Sutton is going to come out in that same awful single high coverage all game against the Bengals like he did Denver and Green Bay because apparently he doesn't know anything else and AJ Green is going to roast the secondary all game and Sutton won't do a thing about it to help the secondary. It's sad at this point. Horrible predictable defensive coordinator. Fire him.
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