Conspiracy, the Paranormal, the Unexplained and the Esoteric

[keg in kc]

Figure this would have a better chance of surviving in the Media Center than on the main page, and I'll be adding youtube and podcast links from time to time as I come across them, so it fits.

This has been something that's interested me from a very young age, all aspects of mysterious stuff, whether we're talking forgotten or forbidden archeology or civilization (Atlantis, pre-colombian exploration of america, etc), unexplained events (like Tunguska in 1908, the lost Roanoke Island colony, etc), paranormal events like ghosts, the study of ESP and that sort of thing, conspiracy (ranging from JFK to stuff like the perpetration of the drug war and the infilitration of the media by US intelligence) and, of course, UFOs (which to me means "unexplained" not "extraterrestrial" but that's a whole other topic).

Anything could show up, and everybody should feel free to add whatever they like. Just try to keep it as civil and respectful as possible. This is not intended to be a DC thread; it's as much for entertainment purposes as it is to solve all the world's mysteries.

**Although if anybody posts anything from Third Phase of Moon they should probably expect me to kick them in the balls.**

Few things I like to watch or listen to in no particular order (most of this can be found on itunes as well...):

The Paracast
Binall of America
The Gralian Report
The Paranormal Report
Dark City
Radio Misterioso
Open Minds (mostly their podcast)

That's it for now, just wanted to get this started. Been thinking about doing it for a while...

[mr. tegu]

I love pretty much any ancient and modern earth (and beyond) mysteries whether of the natural kind or the supernatural kind.

[mr. tegu]

Originally Posted by Valiant

You are missing the point of how unimaginably big the universe is. Even with them traveling faster the odds of them finding us are basically zero. Us even moving light years out is nothing.

With our limited knowledge and scope we have already found planets of similar size to earth and from similar distance to their stars. The finding of us would not be the hard part. The hard part would be getting here, but something like wormholes, which are extensively researched and theoretically possible, could be the key.

A civilization millions of years older than us could have unlocked this mystery or even found other ways that we can't yet dream of. Our understanding of the universe is still far too minimal to place limits on what a civilization with an extra millions of years could doing.

Do you believe aliens (in the conventional sense) exist at all? Or do you just believe they wouldn't be able to get here?

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by Simply Red

Is that actually radio in origin?

Yeah it's out of a radio station in Minnesota...I always just listen to the podcasts though.

[Jerm]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Not familiar with that one, although Dave Schrader is the weekend host the first half of the month on Coast to Coast. He seems to focus more on ghosts and NDE's, neither of which interest me much, but I'll give it a listen. Thanks.

He's broadened out to more things now...has stuff about UFOs, cryptids, true crimes, conspiracies, etc.

[ThaVirus]

The idea of advanced ancient civilizations is one of my favorite fantasies. I've done a lot of reading on Atlantis, Lemuria, etc. and even just civilizations we know (bits) about, like Egypt and Greece.

I'm just not sure about it though. It seems, if these civilizations were so advanced, we'd have found a bit more evidence. More machines, technology, structures, etc..

I'd guess our ancestors were just a lot more advanced than we like to give them credit for..

[ThaVirus]

How do you guys feel about "the powers that be" behind the scenes controlling things? The Illuminati, Jews controlling money and media, that sort of thing..

[ThaVirus]

I'd guess if you believe in faked moon landings and governmental assassinations of presidents you'd have to, at least partially, believe in that sort of thing, no?

[Valiant]

Originally Posted by mr. tegu

With our limited knowledge and scope we have already found planets of similar size to earth and from similar distance to their stars. The finding of us would not be the hard part. The hard part would be getting here, but something like wormholes, which are extensively researched and theoretically possible, could be the key.

A civilization millions of years older than us could have unlocked this mystery or even found other ways that we can't yet dream of. Our understanding of the universe is still far too minimal to place limits on what a civilization with an extra millions of years could doing.

Do you believe aliens (in the conventional sense) exist at all? Or do you just believe they wouldn't be able to get here?

They just cannot get here, life exists elsewhere. But even at the speed of 1000light years an hour it would take 1000s of years... Then when thinking about that distance, if they are off just .000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000 000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001

they would miss us by a couple galaxies are more.

If we have had visitors, they are not aliens. They are time travelers from our future that have evolved.

[keg in kc]

And this is the problem with belief structures. As soon as you choose your team, as soon as you say "it can only be this, anything else is impossible" you have closed your mind to every other possibility. At that point any inkling of honest study of the unexplained is finished, because all you have are people looking for evidence to support what they already believe. And all semblance of discussion is over. You're only left with various entrenched groups slamming their heads against the wall to try and convince each other that their belief is the right belief, with nobody listening to a word of what anybody else is saying. You see this all over the UFO field. Unfortunately.

[Simply Red]

Originally Posted by Jerm

Yeah it's out of a radio station in Minnesota...I always just listen to the podcasts though.

I see - thanks

[Dave Lane]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

Belief is a rough thing, I'm pretty skeptical about everything. I'm mainly just looking for cool stories and ideas or concepts that I hadn't really considered before.

As far as extraterrestrials traveling here, I think in a way it's arrogant to believe that they can't simply because we can't. We're so young in terms of age of the universe. I think it's a vestige of the old earth centric view of the universe and an artifact of western religion. And I think it's entirely possible that we ourselves solve that distance problem in the next thousand years, yet still be thousands or millions or even billions of years behind other sentient species in the universe. As far as the Fermi paradox goes, maybe the signs are there and we just aren't advanced enough to see them yet. Personally I think SETI, while a romantic idea, is a bit silly with the focus on radio signals.

All that said, it doesn't mean anyone has, is or will ever visit here. But I wouldn't want to discount the possibility just because of our primitive understanding of the universe.

Same would be true for alternative ideas like time travel, or extra-dimensional beings inhabiting the same relative space, or even something as off the wall as having UFOs and ghosts being a similar phenomenon, that time is perhaps not a linear thing and we're somehow perceiving imprints of things that exist in different eras but can somehow creep into ours or exist everywhere at once.

No idea's too crazy to at least consider, although I'm a bit skeptical of the whole space brothers from zeta reticuli point of view.

And maybe it's more than one thing.

Here's the problem. I have no problem believing that there are Aliens capable of such feats of travel. But lets just say they sent 10 probes that could hit 3 star systems a day to explore JUST the Milky Way. There are about 300 billion stars plus billions more in globular clusters around the Milky Way. If each of the 10 probes could scan 3 star systems a day for life it would take on average 13,600,000 years to find us. Thats scanning only 1 galaxy. It there are 250,000,000,000 galaxies this would literally take an infinite amount of time to scan half the galaxies (on average to find ours) and then almost 14 million years to find us once they started on the Milky way. Plus ever other galaxy our size would take 28 million years to explore.

And thats assuming instant teleportation between star systems.

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Bowser

And it's all wrapped up by that kid pointing at his dick in the last movie, proving Oswald did NOT act alone.

And the kid showing his dick at the end of Teen Wolf, another Michale J. Fox movie......

[notorious]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Here's the problem. I have no problem believing that there are Aliens capable of such feats of travel. But lets just say they sent 10 probes that could hit 3 star systems a day to explore JUST the Milky Way. There are about 300 billion stars plus billions more iin globular clusters around the Milky Way. It each of the 10 probes could scan 3 star systems a day for life it would take on average 13,600,000 years to find us. Thats scanning only 1 galaxy. It there are 250,000,000,000 galaxies this would literally take an infinite amount of time to scan half the galaxies (on average to find ours) and then almost 14 million years to find us once they started on the Milky way. Plus ever other galaxy our size would take 28 million years to explore.

And thats assuming instant teleportation between star systems.

Long after you and I are gone humanity is going to discover that life is as common as water across the universe.

[ThaVirus]

Originally Posted by keg in kc

And this is the problem with belief structures. As soon as you choose your team, as soon as you say "it can only be this, anything else is impossible" you have closed your mind to every other possibility. At that point any inkling of honest study of the unexplained is finished, because all you have are people looking for evidence to support what they already believe. And all semblance of discussion is over. You're only left with various entrenched groups slamming their heads against the wall to try and convince each other that their belief is the right belief, with nobody listening to a word of what anybody else is saying. You see this all over the UFO field. Unfortunately.

People and their silly belief structures...

And it's basically based on nothing. Our science..... that most people don't even understand to begin with..... which is always changing.....

What do we really KNOW?

[keg in kc]

Originally Posted by Dave Lane

Here's the problem. I have no problem believing that there are Aliens capable of such feats of travel. But lets just say they sent 10 probes that could hit 3 star systems a day to explore JUST the Milky Way. There are about 300 billion stars plus billions more in globular clusters around the Milky Way. If each of the 10 probes could scan 3 star systems a day for life it would take on average 13,600,000 years to find us. Thats scanning only 1 galaxy. It there are 250,000,000,000 galaxies this would literally take an infinite amount of time to scan half the galaxies (on average to find ours) and then almost 14 million years to find us once they started on the Milky way. Plus ever other galaxy our size would take 28 million years to explore.

And thats assuming instant teleportation between star systems.

You're approaching this as if life is such an incredibly rare thing that it would require searching the entire cosmos just to find anything other than us. Which may be the case.

Another possibility is that life teems and said search is, was or will be conducted by a nearby civilization. Or perhaps we ourselves conduct said search in a few hundred or thousand years, and the labor produces fruit quickly. Or perhaps we ourselves already conducted said search in a remote past forgotten to history. Or perhaps life only exists in one in a trillion habitable worlds and looking for it at all is a complete and total waste of time, at least until some day in the distant future we spread to the empty stars and populate them ourselves, and the extraterrestrials are us.

I should note that I try to avoid using the term 'alien' in this discussion because the meaning can be unclear. Something from Earth itself can be alien to our understanding. Also the term has basically become a pejorative, much as 'UFO' itself has, a way to mock by its very use, which is why you've seen the development of acronyms like UAP. So I try to run with extraterrestrial. Although sometimes I forget. Not saying anybody else should, just clarifying myself...