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Pitt Gorilla · 01:39 PM

in memory of Saul Good. He will be missed.

LiveSteam · 12-07-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Saul Good

Why do any of you continue to argue with me?

They don't understand, you are a top 4 poster around here. You were not educated at small school like TCU

Rams Fan · 12-07-2014, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

Sorry about the underwear.

Chili and Jagr bombs don't mix.

You do shots of Jaromir Jagr and not the alcoholic beverage Jaegermeister?

**notorious** · 12-07-2014, 03:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Rams Fan

You do shots of Jaromir Jagr and not the alcoholic beverage Jaegermeister?

Got to stay sharp for fantasy football decisions.

Eleazar · 12-07-2014, 03:11 PM

Big 12 jilted in 1st College Football Playoff

The four national semi-finalists have been selected, and the Big 12 is left on the outside looking in

Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones, right, runs with the ball as Wisconsin linebacker Marcus Trotter defends during the first half of the Big Ten Conference championship NCAA college football game Saturday, Dec. 6, 2014, in Indianapolis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings) The Associated Press
Joke's on you, Big 12.

A day after Bob Bowlsby, the commissioner of the Big 12, gave out two championship trophies and hailed Baylor and TCU co-champions, the College Football Playoff vaulted Big Ten champion Ohio State over both and into the No. 4 ranking and the final national semi-final berth.

Ohio State will play No. 1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while No. 2 Oregon faces No. 3 Florida State in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day.

Baylor and TCU finished No. 5 and No. 6, respectively, with equal 11-1 records. Both teams played and won their final conference games on Saturday but the Big 12 was the only one of the Power Five conferences that did not showcase a championship game over the weekend. The Buckeyes smashed No. 14 Wisconsin 59-0 in the Big Ten championship.

As it turns out, having a championship game made a difference for the Big Ten, which has been criticized this season for being the weakest of the Power Five conferences. While the decision to elevate Ohio State over TCU and Baylor was a tough one, College Football Playoff selection committee head Jeff Long said the committee was impressed by the way Urban Meyer's Buckeyes responded to the injuries they've suffered at the quarterback position.

Ohio State compiled its 12-1 record despite season-ending injuries sustained by starting quarterback Braxton Miller at the beginning of the year and backup quarterback J.T. Barrett at the end of the regular season. The Buckeyes shut out the Badgers with third-string quarterback Cardale Jones making his starting debut.

"With the championship game, Ohio State demonstrated they were a total team," Long said.

That final opportunity to prove themselves in the Big Ten championship game made a difference for the Buckeyes and was enough to render the debate over Baylor vs. TCU moot. The Bears held the head-to-head win over TCU, but until their win over No. 12 Kansas State on Saturday, many thought the Horned Frogs had played a stronger schedule.

The Big 12 drew criticism this week when Bowlsby came out and said that it was league policy to acknowledge co-champions. This appeared to go against statements he had made at Big 12 media day earlier this year, when he mentioned that head-to-head tiebreakers would always be applied.

But in an interview with ESPN on Sunday, Bowlsby admitted that he "just plain misspoke" during media day.

"Next year, when we have to send a representative to the Sugar Bowl, we'll apply a tiebreaker, but we don't use a tiebreaker to determine champions. We use a tiebreaker to determine (bowl) representative," Bowlsby said. "Our rule is that if two teams tie with the same record, they're co-champions."

Props to Bowlsby for admitting his mistake, but the point remains that not having a championship game hurt the Big 12's College Football Playoff aspirations this year.

"It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game," Bowlsby said. "It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time. ... That will cause us to go back to the drawing board a little bit and think about whether we need to have a different model. We will talk about whether we will leave the two teams tied."

Current NCAA rules dictate that a conference has to have 12 members before it can divide into two six-team divisions and introduce a championship game. The Big 12 has 10 members at the moment. Will they be forced to expand to 12 to put itself on equal footing with the four other Power Five conferences and have a championship game?

Not if they have their way with the NCAA.

"Along with the ACC, we've asked to have the rules around conference playoffs be regulated so you don't have to have two six-team divisions," Bowlsby said on ESPN. "We think in the air of deregulation, we may get a change that allows us to have a playoff with fewer than 12."

Still, Bowlsby conceded that the current situation is a "catalyst for discussion" and that the Big 12 will have to "wait to see if it's substantial enough to add institutions."

Whether or not you agree with their decision, in the first year of the new playoff system, the selection committee has shown what it values.

1. Style points matter: Florida State has been undefeated all year, but as recently as last week, the committee wasn't particularly swayed by the Seminoles' record, often pointing out that their multiple close shaves had been underwhelming.

2. Quality matters: The committee does appear to place a premium on the overall strengths of a team. For instance, the Buckeyes had some close shaves against sub-par Big Ten opponents, but ultimately, they got it down despite a depleted quarterback position.

3. Strength-of-schedule is king: The reason Baylor was ranked under TCU until this week? The Bears had played weaker opposition, and it took one final win against a ranked Kansas State team to convince the committee that the Bears are superior to the Horned Frogs. Whether that is true is up for debate, but you can't argue that a championship game would have given both teams a chance to prove their mettle one last time. This same factor will completely doom the Group of Five teams for as long as the playoff stays at four teams.

Marshall was undefeated until Thanksgiving Week, but only made it into the committee's rankings once because the Thundering Herd played a weak C-USA schedule. The Group of Five was thrown a bone when they were given one guaranteed New Year's Six bowl berth every year. But that is basically akin to the Power Five saying, "OK, we gave you a prize, now go away and leave us alone." We will probably never see a Group of Five team in the national semi-finals because their schedules are too weak vis-a-vis the Power Five for them to ever play their way into top-10 contention.

Still, stay tuned. There's now a slim chance that the Big 12 will have to add two more teams to its stable to put it on equal standing with everyone else. Which two Group of Five teams will win that sweepstakes?

**TribalElder** · 12-07-2014, 03:12 PM

Co champions = no champions

Sully · 12-07-2014, 03:13 PM

**notorious** · 12-07-2014, 03:14 PM

At least one conference is going to be pissed every year.

Get the **** over it.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-07-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Reerun_KC

8 teams.

Conference championship game winners of the power 5 and 3 at large bids.

Problem solved.

There is no problem to solve.

Eleazar · 12-07-2014, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by notorious

At least one conference is going to be pissed every year.

Get the **** over it.

Five major conferences, four playoff spots. Only one of those conferences has ten teams and no championship game and puts forth co-champions. Guess who is always going to get the least respect?

Eleazar · 12-07-2014, 03:22 PM

Baylor battles its own conference for Playoff berth

George Schroeder, USA TODAY Sports 8:58 a.m. EST December 7, 2014

WACO, Texas — At the front of the podium, Baylor's players were showing off the Big 12 championship trophy. But the fireworks were at the back, where Baylor coach Art Briles and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby engaged in animated conversation. At one point, he jabbed a finger at the commissioner. And later, he was still jabbing.

"I'm not obligated to him," Briles said. "I'm obligated to Baylor University and our football team. We just happen to be a part of the Big 12."

After beating Kansas State 38-27 Saturday night, the Bears just happen to be the Big 12's champions, again, for the second consecutive season. Or they were co-champions with TCU. It depended on which side of the presentation you were on — and with a possible berth in the College Football Playoff on the line, it probably shouldn't have surprised anyone when the simmering controversy finally boiled over.

FOOTBALL FOUR: Rating and debating college football and the Playoff

What does head-to-head mean? In a round-robin schedule, Why doesn't it determine the champion? And with a playoff berth potentially at stake, why wouldn't the league name one?

Moments earlier, when Bowlsby was introduced and presented the trophy to Briles, many fans booed, no doubt because earlier in the day, 90 miles north in Fort Worth, Bowlsby had presented an identical trophy to TCU. When he repeated the presentation at McLane Stadium, fans chanted: "One True Champion! One True Champion!" — a reference to the league's slogan, and to the Bears' 61-58 victory over the Horned Frogs on Oct. 11.

BOWL PROJECTIONS: Ohio State tops TCU, Baylor

When Briles took the microphone, he sounded a similar message:

"As the Big 12 states, there's 'one true champion' — it's the Baylor Bears! It's the Baylor Bears!"

And then the coach found the commissioner on the backside of the celebration, and made his case once more. Asked for the gist of the conversation, Briles said:

"If you're gonna slogan around and say there's 'one true champion,' and then all of the sudden you're gonna go out the back door instead of going out the front?

"I mean, don't say one thing and do another. That's my whole deal."

ChiefsCountry · 12-07-2014, 03:23 PM

How to solve the problem:

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech to PAC-12
Kansas, Iowa State/Kansas State to B1G
Baylor, TCU to $EC
West Virginia to ACC

**notorious** · 12-07-2014, 03:24 PM

Would it have been different if it was Texas and OU instead of TCU and Baylor?

Eleazar · 12-07-2014, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ChiefsCountry

How to solve the problem:

Texas, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech to PAC-12
Kansas, Iowa State/Kansas State to B1G
Baylor, TCU to $EC
West Virginia to ACC

Neither the SEC nor the B1G want any more teams.

Eleazar · 12-07-2014, 03:26 PM

Hilarious that the Big X commish is handing out identical trophies and giving identical speeches at two different places in Texas.

Even more hilarious is Baylor's coach yelling at him for selling them out. Good to see the conference's tradition of hosing some member institutions in favor of others has not changed.

Pitt Gorilla · 12-07-2014, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cochise

Five major conferences, four playoff spots. Only one of those conferences has ten teams and no championship game and puts forth co-champions. Guess who is always going to get the least respect?

Didn't some idiot claim that the conference championship games didn't matter or some such?

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12-07-2014, 03:11 PM	#3439
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Big 12 jilted in 1st College Football Playoff The four national semi-finalists have been selected, and the Big 12 is left on the outside looking in Ohio State quarterback Cardale Jones, right, runs with the ball as Wisconsin linebacker Marcus Trotter defends during the first half of the Big Ten Conference championship NCAA college football game Saturday, Dec. 6, 2014, in Indianapolis. (AP Photo/Darron Cummings) The Associated Press Joke's on you, Big 12. A day after Bob Bowlsby, the commissioner of the Big 12, gave out two championship trophies and hailed Baylor and TCU co-champions, the College Football Playoff vaulted Big Ten champion Ohio State over both and into the No. 4 ranking and the final national semi-final berth. Ohio State will play No. 1 Alabama in the Sugar Bowl while No. 2 Oregon faces No. 3 Florida State in the Rose Bowl on New Year's Day. Baylor and TCU finished No. 5 and No. 6, respectively, with equal 11-1 records. Both teams played and won their final conference games on Saturday but the Big 12 was the only one of the Power Five conferences that did not showcase a championship game over the weekend. The Buckeyes smashed No. 14 Wisconsin 59-0 in the Big Ten championship. As it turns out, having a championship game made a difference for the Big Ten, which has been criticized this season for being the weakest of the Power Five conferences. While the decision to elevate Ohio State over TCU and Baylor was a tough one, College Football Playoff selection committee head Jeff Long said the committee was impressed by the way Urban Meyer's Buckeyes responded to the injuries they've suffered at the quarterback position. Ohio State compiled its 12-1 record despite season-ending injuries sustained by starting quarterback Braxton Miller at the beginning of the year and backup quarterback J.T. Barrett at the end of the regular season. The Buckeyes shut out the Badgers with third-string quarterback Cardale Jones making his starting debut. "With the championship game, Ohio State demonstrated they were a total team," Long said. That final opportunity to prove themselves in the Big Ten championship game made a difference for the Buckeyes and was enough to render the debate over Baylor vs. TCU moot. The Bears held the head-to-head win over TCU, but until their win over No. 12 Kansas State on Saturday, many thought the Horned Frogs had played a stronger schedule. The Big 12 drew criticism this week when Bowlsby came out and said that it was league policy to acknowledge co-champions. This appeared to go against statements he had made at Big 12 media day earlier this year, when he mentioned that head-to-head tiebreakers would always be applied. But in an interview with ESPN on Sunday, Bowlsby admitted that he "just plain misspoke" during media day. "Next year, when we have to send a representative to the Sugar Bowl, we'll apply a tiebreaker, but we don't use a tiebreaker to determine champions. We use a tiebreaker to determine (bowl) representative," Bowlsby said. "Our rule is that if two teams tie with the same record, they're co-champions." Props to Bowlsby for admitting his mistake, but the point remains that not having a championship game hurt the Big 12's College Football Playoff aspirations this year. "It's clear that we were penalized for not having a postseason championship game," Bowlsby said. "It would have been nice to have been told that ahead of time. ... That will cause us to go back to the drawing board a little bit and think about whether we need to have a different model. We will talk about whether we will leave the two teams tied." Current NCAA rules dictate that a conference has to have 12 members before it can divide into two six-team divisions and introduce a championship game. The Big 12 has 10 members at the moment. Will they be forced to expand to 12 to put itself on equal footing with the four other Power Five conferences and have a championship game? Not if they have their way with the NCAA. "Along with the ACC, we've asked to have the rules around conference playoffs be regulated so you don't have to have two six-team divisions," Bowlsby said on ESPN. "We think in the air of deregulation, we may get a change that allows us to have a playoff with fewer than 12." Still, Bowlsby conceded that the current situation is a "catalyst for discussion" and that the Big 12 will have to "wait to see if it's substantial enough to add institutions." Whether or not you agree with their decision, in the first year of the new playoff system, the selection committee has shown what it values. 1. Style points matter: Florida State has been undefeated all year, but as recently as last week, the committee wasn't particularly swayed by the Seminoles' record, often pointing out that their multiple close shaves had been underwhelming. 2. Quality matters: The committee does appear to place a premium on the overall strengths of a team. For instance, the Buckeyes had some close shaves against sub-par Big Ten opponents, but ultimately, they got it down despite a depleted quarterback position. 3. Strength-of-schedule is king: The reason Baylor was ranked under TCU until this week? The Bears had played weaker opposition, and it took one final win against a ranked Kansas State team to convince the committee that the Bears are superior to the Horned Frogs. Whether that is true is up for debate, but you can't argue that a championship game would have given both teams a chance to prove their mettle one last time. This same factor will completely doom the Group of Five teams for as long as the playoff stays at four teams. Marshall was undefeated until Thanksgiving Week, but only made it into the committee's rankings once because the Thundering Herd played a weak C-USA schedule. The Group of Five was thrown a bone when they were given one guaranteed New Year's Six bowl berth every year. But that is basically akin to the Power Five saying, "OK, we gave you a prize, now go away and leave us alone." We will probably never see a Group of Five team in the national semi-finals because their schedules are too weak vis-a-vis the Power Five for them to ever play their way into top-10 contention. Still, stay tuned. There's now a slim chance that the Big 12 will have to add two more teams to its stable to put it on equal standing with everyone else. Which two Group of Five teams will win that sweepstakes?
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12-07-2014, 03:12 PM	#3440
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12-07-2014, 03:13 PM	#3441
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12-07-2014, 03:14 PM	#3442
notorious Supporter Join Date: May 2005 Location: Who knows? Casino cash: $-724116	At least one conference is going to be pissed every year. Get the **** over it.
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12-07-2014, 03:22 PM	#3445
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Baylor battles its own conference for Playoff berth George Schroeder, USA TODAY Sports 8:58 a.m. EST December 7, 2014 WACO, Texas — At the front of the podium, Baylor's players were showing off the Big 12 championship trophy. But the fireworks were at the back, where Baylor coach Art Briles and Big 12 commissioner Bob Bowlsby engaged in animated conversation. At one point, he jabbed a finger at the commissioner. And later, he was still jabbing. "I'm not obligated to him," Briles said. "I'm obligated to Baylor University and our football team. We just happen to be a part of the Big 12." After beating Kansas State 38-27 Saturday night, the Bears just happen to be the Big 12's champions, again, for the second consecutive season. Or they were co-champions with TCU. It depended on which side of the presentation you were on — and with a possible berth in the College Football Playoff on the line, it probably shouldn't have surprised anyone when the simmering controversy finally boiled over. FOOTBALL FOUR: Rating and debating college football and the Playoff What does head-to-head mean? In a round-robin schedule, Why doesn't it determine the champion? And with a playoff berth potentially at stake, why wouldn't the league name one? Moments earlier, when Bowlsby was introduced and presented the trophy to Briles, many fans booed, no doubt because earlier in the day, 90 miles north in Fort Worth, Bowlsby had presented an identical trophy to TCU. When he repeated the presentation at McLane Stadium, fans chanted: "One True Champion! One True Champion!" — a reference to the league's slogan, and to the Bears' 61-58 victory over the Horned Frogs on Oct. 11. BOWL PROJECTIONS: Ohio State tops TCU, Baylor When Briles took the microphone, he sounded a similar message: "As the Big 12 states, there's 'one true champion' — it's the Baylor Bears! It's the Baylor Bears!" And then the coach found the commissioner on the backside of the celebration, and made his case once more. Asked for the gist of the conversation, Briles said: "If you're gonna slogan around and say there's 'one true champion,' and then all of the sudden you're gonna go out the back door instead of going out the front? "I mean, don't say one thing and do another. That's my whole deal."
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12-07-2014, 03:23 PM	#3446
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12-07-2014, 03:26 PM	#3449
Eleazar Beyond the Rapids Join Date: May 2003 Location: Langley, VA Casino cash: $-370000	Hilarious that the Big X commish is handing out identical trophies and giving identical speeches at two different places in Texas. Even more hilarious is Baylor's coach yelling at him for selling them out. Good to see the conference's tradition of hosing some member institutions in favor of others has not changed.
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