Mock (11/14) - Page 4

Direckshun · 11-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There is absolutely no way to replace his on field production for less than what they're on the hook for Smith next year.

Berry would be gone before Smith.

They've been keeping Berry back out f the box a lot this year, so seems they want to or they already so see him more as a coverage playmaker. So that's good to see for most here who've been wanting that.

I wonder if they can get him at about 7 mil per in a new deal

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

They've been keeping Berry back out f the box a lot this year, so seems they want to or they already so see him more as a coverage playmaker. So that's good to see for most here who've been wanting that.

I wonder if they can get him at about 7 mil per in a new deal

If they pay Berry $7 million, they won't be able to afford Parker.

I know Berry is very popular with the fan base but Parker is a Dorsey guy and I'll be shocked if they let him walk.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:28 PM

I don't see why they couldn't pay both. Parker isn't going to break the bank.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

If they pay Berry $7 million, they won't be able to afford Parker.

I know Berry is very popular with the fan base but Parker is a Dorsey guy and I'll be shocked if they let him walk.

Parker's deal would probably align with what Abdullah signed. 2 years, bout 3 mil, so I don't think that would be a problem.

He might want more thoughh

**Mav** · 11-16-2014, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

How do you figure that they can afford to franchise Houston? Dig some cap space out from underneath the couch?

Sean Smith is a solid guy, but they are gonna have to make some tough decisions in the winter.

I agree with you on tough decisions. Sean Smith wont be one of those decisions though.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Parker's deal would probably align with what Abdullah signed. 2 years, bout 3 mil, so I don't think that would be a problem.

He might want more thoughh

Oh, I don't buy that.

Parker can play corner and is in his prime. CB's are at a premium so I think he'll easily get $4 million per, if not much more.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:34 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanBusby

I don't see why they couldn't pay both. Parker isn't going to break the bank.

$12 million in Houston, $7 million in Smith, who knows how much in Hali, $6 million in Bailey, etc.

The Chiefs can't afford to dole out $6 million per defensive player.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:36 PM

4 mil per year sounds about right and they can afford and should give him it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mav

I agree with you on tough decisions. Sean Smith wont be one of those decisions though.

I'm not sure how Sean Smith is now an untouchable player. What I am saying is that CB will likely be on their board and if they land a young stud in the draft and they like how someone (Gaines) is progressing, than that option is on the table.

With that said, I think there are other players I'd look at first if I had a multiple choice (Mays, possibly Johnson at ILB..Bowe...a lot of the offensive line).

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Oh, I don't buy that.

Parker can play corner and is in his prime. CB's are at a premium so I think he'll easily get $4 million per, if not much more.

He's also played well for 10 games this year, so I dunno that I'd be giving him a lot yet.

I'd imagine you could get him for something like 3 years 10 mil max.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

4 mil per year sounds about right and they can afford and should give him it.

I'm not sure how Sean Smith is now an untouchable player. What I am saying is that CB will likely be on their board and if they land a young stud in the draft and they like how someone (Gaines) is progressing, than that option is on the table.

With that said, I think there are other players I'd look at first if I had a multiple choice (Mays, possibly Johnson at ILB..Bowe...a lot of the offensive line).

Thing is, in 2016 we've got like 65 million committed. Money can be put into places where th cap won't hurt us retaining players.

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

Thing is, in 2016 we've got like 65 million committed. Money can be put into places where th cap won't hurt us retaining players.

That's because they will have hardly anyone in the roster after 2015.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by O.city

He's also played well for 10 games this year, so I dunno that I'd be giving him a lot yet.

I'd imagine you could get him for something like 3 years 10 mil max.

There are CB needy teams that will pay him more than $3 million per.

That's chump change.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BryanBusby

4 mil per year sounds about right and they can afford and should give him it.

I'm not sure how Sean Smith is now an untouchable player. What I am saying is that CB will likely be on their board and if they land a young stud in the draft and they like how someone (Gaines) is progressing, than that option is on the table.

With that said, I think there are other players I'd look at first if I had a multiple choice (Mays, possibly Johnson at ILB..Bowe...a lot of the offensive line).

That's a lot of "If's".

BryanBusby · 11-16-2014, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

That's a lot of "If's".

Welcome to the offseason. They will look into all of those ifs because Dorsey knows how to properly run a franchise.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

There are CB needy teams that will pay him more than $3 million per.

That's chump change.

He is pretty versatile, but he was also an udfa plucked from another team. If someone wants to pay him that much, I trust Dorsey can find another player.

I'm also not sure that Parker isn't better at safety anyway

11-14-2014, 12:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Mock (11/14) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained. 2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015. 3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed). 4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming. 5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin. 6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray. 7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals. 8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal. 9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster). On with the show: 1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety. The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring. Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside. 2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself. 3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine. 3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary. 4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate. 5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016. 5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it. 5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia. 6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle. 7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget. 7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.
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