Mock (11/14) - Page 2

Direckshun · 11-14-2014, 12:05 PM

Assumptions:

1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained.

2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015.

3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed).

4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming.

5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin.

6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray.

7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals.

8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal.

9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster).

On with the show:

1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State

The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety.

The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring.

Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside.

2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA

The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself.

3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State

Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine.

3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU

A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary.

4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut

Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate.

5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina

Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016.

5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers

Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it.

5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia

An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia.

6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State

A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle.

7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor

An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget.

7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin

A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.

kccrow · 11-16-2014, 01:34 PM

If Dorsey continues his trend, I'd expect a replacements for Bowe and Sean Smith very early in this draft. He seems to like to be ready for expiring contracts or expected big money cuts.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

If Dorsey continues his trend, I'd expect a replacements for Bowe and Sean Smith very early in this draft. He seems to like to be ready for expiring contracts or expected big money cuts.

With two full drafts under Dorsey, it's crystal clear that he chooses the best available athlete/player in each slot and does not "target" specific positions.

RunKC · 11-16-2014, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

With two full drafts under Dorsey, it's crystal clear that he chooses the best available athlete/player in each slot and does not "target" specific positions.

Yeah I bet with Albert being injury prone , our D falling apart last year due to Tamba/Houston injuries and Houston/Tamba's contract structure, those picks were just coincidence.

I'm sure it was also "coincidence" that when Dorsey was GB's director of football operations in 2012, and had heavy influence in the draft, his mentors in GB drafted defense all 6 picks in the first 5 rds.
Ever think it wasn't BPA and maybe bc they were dead last in the NFL on defense in 2011?

BPA my ass. Crow is right.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 05:04 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

BPA my ass. Crow is right.

Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

RunKC · 11-16-2014, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

Albert had a lot of in-game injuries where he had to come off the field. It happened a lot. And look what it led to this year?

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by RunKC

Albert had a lot of in-game injuries where he had to come off the field. It happened a lot. And look what it led to this year?

It doesn't matter what happened in Miami.

How can you make the case that Dorsey doesn't choose the best available athlete? I've seen the negative nonsense that's been going on in this forum with the "Fire Dorsey" and "Dorsey Sucks" posts and threads. Silly. Crazy. Outright dumb.

Kelce, Knile Davis, Johnson, Commings, Kush and Catapano were the best players available. The Chiefs didn't "need" another running back, they didn't "need" another safety, they didn't "need" another DE with Jackson, Bailey, DeVito, etc. nor did they "need" a center with a healthy Rodney Hudson.

I don't care what anyone says, Ford was the best available athlete at 23, Gaines was a BPA (they had Cooper, Parker, Owens & Smith), DAT should have gone a full round earlier and was CERTAINLY the BPA. Aaron Murry? No brainer. Zach Fulton and LDT were the BPA's, especially since Roke Watkins and Rishaw Johnson played well and they had signed Linkenbach.

DrRyan · 11-16-2014, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

Nonsense.

So who was the best choice for #1 overall in 2013? Who was the best choice in 2014?

Personally, I thought that Ford was a phenomenal choice. The only other player that I wanted more than Ford was Ryan Shazier but he went earlier in the draft.

Furthermore, Albert only missed seven games out of a possible 81 games. That's far from "injury prone".

Kelvin Benjamin. End of story. Ford is hardly even seeing the field. He may turn out to be great but I'm not holding my breath. Dennard, Buchanan and Verrett would all appear to be better athletes are you asked in the next post. Ford the best athlete because of a quick first step and little else at this point? Really?

Edit: as far as 2013, I probably would have went with Ansah, Star L, Richardson or Jordan (who hasn't shown much f anything yet).

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DrRyan

Kelvin Benjamin. End of story. Ford is hardly even seeing the field. He may turn out to be great but I'm not holding my breath. Dennard, Buchanan and Verrett would all appear to be better athletes are you asked in the next post. Ford the best athlete because of a quick first step and little else at this point? Really?

Edit: as far as 2013, I probably would have went with Ansah, Star L, Richardson or Jordan (who hasn't shown much f anything yet).

Nonsense.

Kelvin Benjamin had questions about his character before the draft. He had a reputation for taking plays off. He also recently admitted that he "tanked" his 40 time at the Combine in order to go to a better team.

No thanks.

O.city · 11-16-2014, 07:29 PM

Pretty sure he was joking in an impromptu interview about that tanking stuff.

kccrow · 11-16-2014, 08:06 PM

Pretty sure most of the people in this section of the forum know I was pushing HARD for Jordan Matthews at WR.

Matthews has 44 catches for 558 yards and 6 TDs, including back-to-back 100+ yard games and a TD in 3 straight. He's turning into a go-to option.

My secondary option was Jimmie Ward who was playing okay in the nickle for SF until he injured his foot and is out for the year.

Dee Ford was the one player I absolutely did not want and here we have him. One can hope he somehow learns to play run defense before next season, but I'm not on board with that pick until he shows me something.

In any event, what tells me Dorsey does not pick Best Player Available in my mind is that I would have (and many others) considered Darqueze Dennard, Bradely Roby, Xavier S'ua Filo, Joel Bitonio, Ra'Shede Hageman, Marqise Lee, Jeremiah Attaochu, Devante Adams, Donte Moncrief, and a few others all better players than Ford. How all those have faired so far I haven't checked.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by O.city

Pretty sure he was joking in an impromptu interview about that tanking stuff.

I'm pretty sure he wasn't.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 08:17 PM

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Originally Posted by kccrow

In any event, what tells me Dorsey does not pick Best Player Available in my mind is that I would have (and many others) considered Darqueze Dennard, Bradely Roby, Xavier S'ua Filo, Joel Bitonio, Ra'Shede Hageman, Marqise Lee, Jeremiah Attaochu, Devante Adams, Donte Moncrief, and a few others all better players than Ford. How all those have faired so far I haven't checked.

And I'm pretty sure you don't understand a stinking thing.

Dennard has short arms. Gaines was the better selection and two rounds deeper. I'll take Gaines over Roby, too. Bitonio? In the first? Ha!

Hageman had character issues, Moncrief over Gaines? Ha! Attaochu in the first? Are you smoking crack?

Good god, really?

OldSchool · 11-16-2014, 08:33 PM

In other news, Mike Evans is even more of a monster.

**DaneMcCloud** · 11-16-2014, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

In other news, Mike Evans is even more of a monster.

Just imagine if he had a real QB

kccrow · 11-16-2014, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DaneMcCloud

And I'm pretty sure you don't understand a stinking thing.

Dennard has short arms. Gaines was the better selection and two rounds deeper. I'll take Gaines over Roby, too. Bitonio? In the first? Ha!

Hageman had character issues, Moncrief over Gaines? Ha! Attaochu in the first? Are you smoking crack?

Good god, really?

The only thing you understand is how to talk out of your ****ing ass like a champ.

I said they were better players, not first ****ing round picks. I didn't have Ford rated in the top 2 rounds. He sucks. He sucks hard ****ing balls. He still sucks. He still can't defend the run. He's still a pussy with a big mouth. Until he proves otherwise, that's all he'll ever be.

My target players were Cooks, Matthews, Ward, in that order in round 1.

I actually had Gaines in several of my mocks. I thought he wouldn't last until round 3 and ended up taking him out towards the end.

Go on thinking about Dorsey's crystal ball, or whatever the **** you think it is. All ****ing NFL teams use analytics for everything they do. If you think Dorsey is breaking some kind of ****ing ground, more power to you.

11-14-2014, 12:05 PM
Direckshun __ Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Springpatch Casino cash: $2143447	Mock (11/14) Assumptions: 1. The Chiefs finish 9-7, make the playoffs, and get drummed out of the first round by the Pittsburgh Steelers. Because we are the Chiefs. We end up picking #23. All staff is retained. 2. The team fails to extend OLB Justin Houston and has to franchise tag him. They do, however, extend S Eric Berry at some point over the next 12 months for about $8-9m a year. Tamba Hali, who for some reason fell off hardcore and only musters 7 sacks by the end of the year, agrees to a three-year extension for $22m ($10m guaranteed), getting a gigantic signing bonus but technically only playing for the vet minimum in 2015. 3. The Chiefs re-sign C Rodney Hudson to a 4 year, $20m deal ($6m guaranteed), DE Kevin Vickerson to a 2 year, $2m deal, and S Ron Parker to a 3 year, $5m deal ($1m guaranteed). 4. The Chiefs cut WR Donnie Avery, WR A.J. Jenkins, TE Anthony Fasano, DE Mike DeVito, ILB Derrick Johnson, CB Jamell Fleming. 5. The Chiefs tender OLB Josh Martin. 6. The Chiefs let walk RB Joe McKnight, WR Junior Hemingway, WR Frankie Hammond, TE Demetrius Harris, OT Ryan Harris, OG Jeff Linkenbach, OG Mike McGlynn, DE Allen Bailey, S Kurt Coleman, and S Kelcie McCray. 7. The Chiefs re-sign ILB Josh Mauga, CB Chris Owens, and LS Thomas Gafford to minimal deals. 8. The Chiefs sign WR Cecil Shorts (Jaguars) to a 4 year, $20m ($6m guaranteed) deal, WR Jermaine Kearse (Seahawks) to a 3 year, $9m ($1m guaranteed) deal, TE Lance Kendricks (Rams) to a 2 year, $4m deal. 9. They receive four compensatory picks: a 3rd (Albert), two 5ths (Asamoah + Jackson), and a 7th (McCluster). On with the show: 1.23. DE Mario Edwards, Jr., Florida State The Chiefs are in Super Bowl contention in 2015. They've put together an offense that will give Alex Smith tons of options on every down, and should stay together in its entirety for at least two years: Charles, Davis, DAT, Bowe, Shorts, Kearse, Kelce, and Kendricks. They've also retained Hali for a few more years, to allow Dee Ford more time to develop, and they've got enough options at both corner and safety. The biggest loss of this hypothetical offseason is Allen Bailey. DJ has at least been adequately replaced by Mauga (and my 2nd round pick), but there is no substitution for the heat that Bailey could bring. Edwards, however, is a perfect example of a Dorsey selection. At 6'3", 295 lbs, he was illfitted at rushbacker for the Seminoles, but he did show tons of explosion and power rushing the passer. The Chiefs have Kevin Vickerson, Jaye Howard, and Mike Catapano at DE, but the more time the coaches get with Super Mario, he's going to have ridiculous upside. 2.55. ILB Eric Kendricks, UCLA The Chiefs need a leader who can hit hard, penetrate the pocket, and drop into coverage at the ILB position. Mauga can do all three decently. JMJ can only really cover. And Joe Mays can only really hit hard. Kendricks is the best talent they've drafted at the position since DJ himself. 3.87. OG Josue Matias, Florida State Matias is a powerful run blocker at the point of attack, and would immediately compete to start against Jeff Allen at LG. Surrounded by Fisher, Hudson, and Fulton, all of whom will have another year under their belts, Matias could honestly plug-and-play just fine. 3.96. CB Jalen Collins, LSU A guy who times poorly, but plays face, the 6'2" Collins can provide a lot more length and lockdown ability for the Chiefs' secondary. 4.124. CB/S Byron Jones, Connecticut Jones is a 6'0" corner with safety experience. Due to his season-ending shoulder surgery, it's hard to tell where exactly he'll fall, but if Sutton wants to commit more to this off-man zone he's been running, Jones is a perfect candidate. 5.163. NT Phillip Dukes, South Carolina Vance Walker costs a lot for a guy that plays 10 snaps a game. We're probably going to have to keep him for another year, but Dukes will give us some options if we want to part ways in 2016. 5.174. TE Tyler Kroft, Rutgers Dorsey, for ONCE in his life, takes a step outside his prototype for the TE position. Demetrius Harris was barely panning out, and the Chiefs need a 3rd TE for their 3 TE sets. Kroft is an athletic receiving TE who can benefit from some coaching on his blocking abilities -- if they could teach a basketball player to do it, they can teach a lifelong TE to do it. 5.175. WR Malcolm Mitchell, Georgia An incredible receiving talent that the Chiefs can afford to gamble on since, including DAT, the Chiefs are now four-deep at WR. Mitchell is just a fantastic player, but has struggled with multiple injures in his legs at Georgia. 6.193. RB Josh Robinson, Mississippi State A thick bowling ball that give the Chiefs a little more muscle. 7.238. K Spencer Roth, Baylor An excellent kicker under pressure, and it's honestly time we challenge Cairo Santos again. We get it, Dave Toub, you can turn anybody into an effect special teamer. Please replace the midget. 7.254. OT Rob Havenstein, Wisconsin A large, powerful runblocker, the Chiefs can bench Havenstein to get his pass protection up to snuff for a year or two.
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