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Old 09-14-2014, 05:49 PM  
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Did the guy even touch the field today? Kinda like last week, dude is a ghost. First round pick should be playing some snaps, what the heck?
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:14 PM   #91
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I think you need to take a good long look at how Denver and Seattle have actually built their teams.

They spend a lot of off seasons doing very little and building through the draft. Why do you think Denver's payroll was so ridiculously low this year before they made their huge free agent haul?
Going by how Seattle built a team the Chiefs are at least 6 years away from that. 5 if ever guy picked in may turns out to be all pros
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:14 PM   #92
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He looks like a rookie that isn't quite sure what he's supposed to do yet.

Just like about 85% of rookies do.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:15 PM   #93
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Going by how Seattle built a team the Chiefs are at least 6 years away from that. 5 if ever guy picked in may turns out to be all pros
I saw your "math" on that the other night.

Don't agree with it, but it was impressive in terms of time spent. But in actuality, I think it's probably what this front office is looking at/thinking or atleast what they should be thinking.

The Smith deal should be about getting you into that window while you can build up your roster, all the while having an eye towards a true young franchise QB to place in there. As much as we all love Hali, Charles, Bowe etc, those players times were wasted once the Pioli experiment failed.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:20 PM   #94
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I gave Dorsey credit for not taking Joekel.

I said Fisher was the better pick of those 2 then, and I'm not backing away from that.

But that doesn't diminish the fact that I hated the pick.
I hated the pick too. Always will.

But that's not what we are arguing. It's arguing whether if you are comparing two players at one position, one with a high ceiling and one with average ceiling but more NFL ready, who would you take? CP was shouting about not taking Terence Cody and then ripping on the Dontari Poe pick. Especially when you get out of the top 10, you often have to decide between low upside / safe picks vs. risky / high upside picks.

More importantly, it's a dialogue about how ridiculously over reactionary people were to Fisher's play. As if he would never improve. That's where I get feisty. I never even called him a good player. I have said many times I think he could play like a top 20 pick.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:21 PM   #95
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Casshole sucked all day today and Teddy still couldn't get on the field.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:23 PM   #96
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I have zero problem with holding him accountable when he refuses to properly rotate his big men to keep them fresh and healthy. Burn him at the stake. You bring the matches I'll bring he gas.
He not only refuses to spell Poe enough to keep him ready, he doesnt have the imagination to use what he has in reserve.

Remember the preseason articles where he talked about getting Hali, Houston, JMJ, Josh Martin and Ford on the field at the same time... how he was going to get creative and really unleash these guys?

How Hali and DJ talked about the same shit?

Turns out Sutton is scared to do it, scared to get beaten for 30 yards instead of 40... this guys gotta go, he doesnt have the creativity thats been sold to everyone, he cant find ways to maximize the talents of his best players.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:23 PM   #97
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Casshole sucked all day today and Teddy still couldn't get on the field.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:27 PM   #98
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I hated the pick too. Always will.

But that's not what we are arguing. It's arguing whether if you are comparing two players at one position, one with a high ceiling and one with average ceiling but more NFL ready, who would you take? CP was shouting about not taking Terence Cody and then ripping on the Dontari Poe pick. Especially when you get out of the top 10, you often have to decide between low upside / safe picks vs. risky / high upside picks.

More importantly, it's a dialogue about how ridiculously over reactionary people were to Fisher's play. As if he would never improve. That's where I get feisty. I never even called him a good player. I have said many times I think he could play like a top 20 pick.
It has to depend on much you have to work with when making that decision.

Dee Ford is a huge project, with very limited actual productivity.

He is simply not the best player that was available at that pick.
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Old 09-14-2014, 08:32 PM   #99
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Why can't people understand that Ford is strictly a pass rushing OLB and currently there are 2....i repeat "TWO" Pro Bowl OLB's in front on him in Hali and Houston?

As long as those 2 probowlers are healthy and fresh, Ford is rarely going to see the field at all this season.

Ford was drafted to replace Hali. Houston will be resigned to a new deal. I never really agreed w/ the pick as it wasn't one of need, but it was indeed a pick for the future. Hali is still playing w/ a contract w/ KC. It's not time to replace Hali yet. Therefore Ford sits and watches. You can argue the pick itself...as there are OL DB and WR needs on this team, which is why I wasn't a fan of the pick at the time. But I doubt lack of playing time is due to his "ability". We're just not gonna see him a lot til next season because he's sitting behind a couple of badasses.
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He not only refuses to spell Poe enough to keep him ready, he doesnt have the imagination to use what he has in reserve.

Remember the preseason articles where he talked about getting Hali, Houston, JMJ, Josh Martin and Ford on the field at the same time... how he was going to get creative and really unleash these guys?

How Hali and DJ talked about the same shit?

Turns out Sutton is scared to do it, scared to get beaten for 30 yards instead of 40... this guys gotta go, he doesnt have the creativity thats been sold to everyone, he cant find ways to maximize the talents of his best players.
Yeah... Sutton sent a double safety blitz last week.

The guy ain't scared to do shit.
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I'm not going to lie, I fully expected this guy to be the next Hali, Houston, Jared Allen, Derrick Thomas and he's a no show. So far, very dispointed.
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Derrick Thomas reincarnated... just wait till next year guys.
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I'm not going to lie, I fully expected this guy to be the next Hali, Houston, Jared Allen, Derrick Thomas and he's a no show. So far, very dispointed.
Why did you expect that?...
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Derrick Thomas reincarnated... just wait till next year guys.
I don't remember Thomas ever being a project.
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