Chiefs Phillip Gaines - Page 10

Chiefshrink · 09-01-2014, 01:52 PM

I haven't had a chance to thoroughly watch the first 3 pre-season games but did watch all of the GB game. Gaines played horrible against 2nd and 3rd string offenses of GB. Has he played this bad all pre-season ? What is your take on the kid so far ?

ToxSocks · 09-03-2014, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

You can swing Abdullah to Strong Safety and put Coleman or McCray at FS. Whoever doesn't play FS will play the Demps role. Basically, if the Chiefs ever find themselves in the spot where they have to rely on Sorenson, they're ****ed anyway. Sorenson is the definition of last resort.

Isn't Sorenson higher on the depth chart than McCray and Coleman?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2014, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Detoxing

Isn't Sorenson higher on the depth chart than McCray and Coleman?

I mean, McCray is on the same level. They're both backups to the starter. I don't know where Coleman lands on the depth chart. But I would be shocked if Coleman or McCray wasn't the Demps guy. I would be even more shocked if they asked Sorenson to play that role.

milkman · 09-03-2014, 04:26 PM

Guys with potential flash that potential.

The shit you're trying to sell is that this guy has no business ever seeing the field, but deserves a roster spot because he showed potential in practice.

Next you're going to tell us how preseason doesn't matter.

The lie to that is that there isn't a coach who won't tell you that preseason does matter because it gives them the opportunity to see if that practice translates to real game situations.

Sorensen's practice didn't.

He has no business being on this roster, and the shit you're selling is still just shit.

TEX · 09-03-2014, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Guys with potential flash that potential.

The shit you're trying to sell is that this guy has no business ever seeing the field, but deserves a roster spot because he showed potential in practice.

Next you're going to tell us how preseason doesn't matter.

The lie to that is that there isn't a coach who won't tell you that preseason does matter because it gives them the opportunity to see if that practice translates to real game situations.

Sorensen's practice didn't.

He has no business being on this roster, and the shit you're selling is still just shit.

At LEAST he's not spewing shit about the thinking that went into assembling the Chiefs JAG OL...Or selling Rishaw Johnson

... However, this is JUST as reeruned.

Damn Zilla, what's it like to be so wrong all the time about simple stuff???

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2014, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TEX

At LEAST he's not spewing shit about the thinking that went into assembling the Chiefs JAG OL...Or selling Rishaw Johnson

... However, this is JUST as reeruned.

Damn Zilla, what's it like to be so wrong all the time about simple stuff???

I'm not going to thread swerve. But you keep bringing up Rishaw Johnson:
http://www.chiefsplanet.com/bb/showthread.php?t=282425

You can go ahead and read my take on Rishaw Johnson and find me a single quote where I'm "selling" Rishaw Johnson as anything but cheap competition for an unimportant position.

chief52 · 09-03-2014, 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Icon

I was thrilled to see Pioli be given the boot but Dorsey hasn't impressed me at all with his drafting skills.

Fire up the plane???

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2014, 05:09 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

Guys with potential flash that potential.

The shit you're trying to sell is that this guy has no business ever seeing the field, but deserves a roster spot because he showed potential in practice.

Next you're going to tell us how preseason doesn't matter.

The lie to that is that there isn't a coach who won't tell you that preseason does matter because it gives them the opportunity to see if that practice translates to real game situations.

He got a roster spot because we need safeties and they think he's the best we can do. He's on the roster because they compared him to shit and decided he was the better of the shit. Again, it's not like he's bumping off studs to get a roster spot. For crying out loud, people on this board are outraged because he got a roster spot over a guy who didn't make ANYBODY'S practice squad.

Preseason does matter but it matters a hell of a lot less for a rookie, especially given new rules of the CBA. Knile Davis looked like complete dog shit last year. Dontari Poe was a disaster his first year. Branden Albert was a disaster. I would hope that in the first preseason the evaluation has a shitload more to do with the overall picture than a few preseason games. Bronson on the other hand... he had a full year to learn the defense and to know what it takes to play in the NFL. It's not even close to a fair comparison.

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Sorensen's practice didn't.

He has no business being on this roster, and the shit you're selling is still just shit.

Apparently most teams agree about Bronson too. I don't see you calling out people who are on here treating Bronson like he is some kind of high upside player. At least I'm realistic to know both Sorenson and Bronson are probably going to be shit.

**Easy 6** · 09-03-2014, 05:37 PM

Can Sorensen get even ONE ****ing real games worth of action before he's declared the worst damn decision of they year?

No?

Ok carry on, my crystal ball must be a bit cloudier than everyone elses.

This place I swear.

milkman · 09-03-2014, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chiefzilla1501

He got a roster spot because we need safeties and they think he's the best we can do. He's on the roster because they compared him to shit and decided he was the better of the shit. Again, it's not like he's bumping off studs to get a roster spot. For crying out loud, people on this board are outraged because he got a roster spot over a guy who didn't make ANYBODY'S practice squad.

Preseason does matter but it matters a hell of a lot less for a rookie, especially given new rules of the CBA. Knile Davis looked like complete dog shit last year. Dontari Poe was a disaster his first year. Branden Albert was a disaster. I would hope that in the first preseason the evaluation has a shitload more to do with the overall picture than a few preseason games. Bronson on the other hand... he had a full year to learn the defense and to know what it takes to play in the NFL. It's not even close to a fair comparison.

Apparently most teams agree about Bronson too. I don't see you calling out people who are on here treating Bronson like he is some kind of high upside player. At least I'm realistic to know both Sorenson and Bronson are probably going to be shit.

How many ****ing times do I have to tell you this isn't about Sorenesen v. Bronson.

Let me say it slow.

I

don't

give

a

rat's

ass

about

Bronson.

This is about the stupid shit your useless dumb ass spews, dipshit.

And your shit about preseason and rookies is still shit.

If these preseason games were as meaningless as you try to spin it, then there would be no ****ing preseason games.

And Knile Davis ain't all that, either.

He isn't nearly as good as some , like your dumb ass, want to believe.

**SAUTO** · 09-03-2014, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Can Sorensen get even ONE ****ing real games worth of action before he's declared the worst damn decision of they year?

No?

Ok carry on, my crystal ball must be a bit cloudier than everyone elses.

This place I swear.

But he ****ing sucks.

OldSchool · 09-03-2014, 06:05 PM

What's the excuse when Sorensen comes in as the 3rd safety and gets burned deep by the Titans? Oh, well he's just a UDFA, can't expect him to make that play. Bullshit, he made the 53, he should be able to make that play and stop the deep ball. Otherwise, why the hell would he even be on the roster?

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2014, 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by milkman

How many ****ing times do I have to tell you this isn't about Sorenesen v. Bronson.

Let me say it slow.

I

don't

give

a

rat's

ass

about

Bronson.

This is about the stupid shit your useless dumb ass spews, dipshit.

And your shit about preseason and rookies is still shit.

If these preseason games were as meaningless as you try to spin it, then there would be no ****ing preseason games.

And Knile Davis ain't all that, either.

He isn't nearly as good as some , like your dumb ass, want to believe.

You've been going on a tirade about "consistency." I said that Coleman was brought in to start in a Demps role, Sorenson was kept to back up and develop. You've yet to come up with anything resembling rebuttal for that except some dumb argument about... well, if Berry gets hurt which even that doesn't make sense.

Your other comment about consistency was that I should apparently be criticizing keeping Sorenson because it shows the Chiefs ignored the Safety position. That has nothing to ****ing to do with whether Sorenson should have gotten a roster spot. Complete red herring. As I've said repeatedly, Sorenson made the roster because they picked one shitty player over another shitty player. Period.

I didn't say Knile Davis was great. Just that he improved dramatically from last year where he was hot garbage in the preseason. Poe. Kelce. Albert. All garbage their first preseasons. The list goes on and on. It has gotten harder since the new CBA which doesn't allow rookies nearly as much practice time as 5 years ago. The leap to the NFL means learning a new playbook and adjusting to a totally different speed. A rookie can improve just by learning that playbook and getting used to the NFL. A second year player can't use that excuse anymore. So yes, it is idiotic to judge a rookie purely on immediate product and not based on potential. I am guessing the Chiefs have a lot of college film, endless scouting reports, and coaches who have watched him many, many times in practice before they made that decision. Again, it's not like they kept him and scrapped someone good.

chiefzilla1501 · 09-03-2014, 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

What's the excuse when Sorensen comes in as the 3rd safety and gets burned deep by the Titans? Oh, well he's just a UDFA, can't expect him to make that play. Bullshit, he made the 53, he should be able to make that play and stop the deep ball. Otherwise, why the hell would he even be on the roster?

If anyone here other than sac was arguing that this guy is a long-term option, then fine. The guy made the roster because it was either shit or shit. This conversation wouldn't even be taking place if not for all the hype around a player in Bronson who hasn't even made anybody's practice squad.

The Chiefs are very thin at lots of positions. Dorsey has got to be nails in the draft to improve that depth and so far, he hasn't been good. That has a lot more to do with the problem than this ridiculous argument about if the green shit is better than the brown shit. They're both shit.

Saccopoo · 09-03-2014, 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Easy 6

Can Sorensen get even ONE ****ing real games worth of action before he's declared the worst damn decision of they year?

No?

Ok carry on, my crystal ball must be a bit cloudier than everyone elses.

This place I swear.

No shit.

These guys are on Sorensen's jock like loose pubes and the guy was an UDFA who apparently did enough to impress the coaching staff to make him one of the 53 on roster.

Now, conversely, take Dee Ford, who has looked worse than anybody (other than possibly Phil Gaines), and it's all about "give him time, he's a rookie, blah, blah, blah..."

It's apparently alright to bash the shit out of a UDFA who makes the team, but first round draft picks are holy ground.

And Sorensen has received raves throughout the entire off-season/pre-season from the coaching staff. He's apparently been absolute balls in practice. But all these coach potato GM's on CP have apparently seen enough in a couple of preseason games that they have become judge, jury and executioner for one guy. A guy that was apparently, in the eyes of the coaching staff (who apparently are a bunch of ****ing reeruns according to the CP geniuses) better than the other guy who everyone wanted because someone posted PFF numbers that got their dicks hard.

ToxSocks · 09-03-2014, 07:07 PM

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Originally Posted by OldSchool

What's the excuse when Sorensen comes in as the 3rd safety and gets burned deep by the Titans? Oh, well he's just a UDFA, can't expect him to make that play. Bullshit, he made the 53, he should be able to make that play and stop the deep ball. Otherwise, why the hell would he even be on the roster?

Yes, because every player on the 53 will make every play every single time. With your logic, we might as well cut everyone not named Jamaal Charles.

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milkman Dumbass! Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Leading the Marty bashing Casino cash: $10029395	Guys with potential flash that potential. The shit you're trying to sell is that this guy has no business ever seeing the field, but deserves a roster spot because he showed potential in practice. Next you're going to tell us how preseason doesn't matter. The lie to that is that there isn't a coach who won't tell you that preseason does matter because it gives them the opportunity to see if that practice translates to real game situations. Sorensen's practice didn't. He has no business being on this roster, and the shit you're selling is still just shit. __________________
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OldSchool MVP Join Date: Sep 2013 Casino cash: $10035212	What's the excuse when Sorensen comes in as the 3rd safety and gets burned deep by the Titans? Oh, well he's just a UDFA, can't expect him to make that play. Bullshit, he made the 53, he should be able to make that play and stop the deep ball. Otherwise, why the hell would he even be on the roster?
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